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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Perun" data-source="post: 7833578" data-attributes="member: 6037">Here I disagree with you. An envoy warforged is a warforged. There's nothing in the racial write-up of envoy that would suggest that an envoy with a built-in disguise kit gets any kind of special benefit when disguised as a member of another race. They get a built-in disguise kit (however you reflavour it).And they're already better at it than any other warforged, as they get double their proficiency bonus when using their built-in kit. (I initially thought bard and rogue warforged could match their mastery with chosen tool through Expertise class feature, but they actually can't -- Expertise covers only skill checks and, for rogues only, thieves' tools.)Now, the rules for disguises are anything but clear. If you go by the PHB, in the section on using ability scores (pp. 177-178), it would seem like creating a disguise is an Intelligence (Disguise Kit) check, and trying to pass yourself off in disguise a Charisma (Deception) check. But XGtE then muddles things by saying that copying a humanoid's appearance is DC 20.So, apparently in RAW, there is no penalty, disadvantage or increase in DC when trying to pass off as a member of another race. And, as such, a warforged inflitrator would have an easier time to pass off as a human than another human. Which, IMO and with all due respect, is silly. I'd say when you disguise yourself, the quality of the disguise is determined by a Intelligence (Disguise Kit) roll. DC set by the DM, with as much granularity as the DM is willing to deal with (same race, disguising as a member of another sex, races similar in appearance, etc.). If you pass the check, your disguise is good enough not to raise suspicion on appearance alone. Further success depends on various Charisma skills (mainly Deception, but other could be useful as well -- Perform, for example), maybe occasionally used with Intelligence instead of Charisma. I would give warfoged some kind of penalty on their attempts to disguise as members of other races. The same I'd apply to dragonborn trying to pass off as human, for example. Or a human trying to pass of as warforged. The envoy's integrated tool benefits would give him an edge in such situations, but he wouldn't be as good as passing off as human as another human. OTOH, a warforged would have an easier time trying to disguise himself as a shield guardian, golem, or other similar creatures. There's nothing in Masque's description implying she's good at disguising herself as human. It just says she's built for infiltration, to blend in and assassinate. She could do that by posing as another warforged. There were a lot of them built, and they were found in armies of all nations. But, it would all be a lot easier if we had better rules for disguise. This way, it's according to the DM's interpretation. Which means we're all correct. And likely wrong, at the same time <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I apologise if the post came out difficult to follow. I started replying this morning, and then continued returning to it when I could get away from work.</blockquote>

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