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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 3251344" data-attributes="member: 5122"><p>The two warforged -- one now, as a player moved away -- in my Eberron group are by far the most powerful characters. It's not just the immunity, it's things like DR 2/adamantine, which at low levels is amazing and at high levels still doesn't suck. It's things like not needing to breathe, which alone takes away some of the most deadly hazards of the game. It's things like being healable by wizards.</p><p></p><p>There's absolutely no question in my mind that warforged are significantly better than dwarves (the most powerful core race), but there's also no question in my mind that they're not powerful enough to be LA +1. (If you wanna talk a truly ridiculous non-core LA +0 race, let's talk about whisper gnomes ... )</p><p></p><p>Warforged needed a couple more game-mechanical drawbacks. Off the top of my head, something like 5 gp/day upkeep cost, or their physical abilities begin to degrade. At low and even mid-levels that's significant, and by high levels the power discrepancy is pretty much gone.</p><p></p><p>In my game, warforged are treated like furniture and assumed by most people -- even following Thronehold -- to "belong" to the humans they're with. Only the most open-minded people will even bother to negotiate with a warforged, for instance.</p><p></p><p>It works pretty well, but this is a roleplaying disadvantage to balance game-mechanical advantages, and if we learned anything from 2E, it's that that's not good game design.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 3251344, member: 5122"] The two warforged -- one now, as a player moved away -- in my Eberron group are by far the most powerful characters. It's not just the immunity, it's things like DR 2/adamantine, which at low levels is amazing and at high levels still doesn't suck. It's things like not needing to breathe, which alone takes away some of the most deadly hazards of the game. It's things like being healable by wizards. There's absolutely no question in my mind that warforged are significantly better than dwarves (the most powerful core race), but there's also no question in my mind that they're not powerful enough to be LA +1. (If you wanna talk a truly ridiculous non-core LA +0 race, let's talk about whisper gnomes ... ) Warforged needed a couple more game-mechanical drawbacks. Off the top of my head, something like 5 gp/day upkeep cost, or their physical abilities begin to degrade. At low and even mid-levels that's significant, and by high levels the power discrepancy is pretty much gone. In my game, warforged are treated like furniture and assumed by most people -- even following Thronehold -- to "belong" to the humans they're with. Only the most open-minded people will even bother to negotiate with a warforged, for instance. It works pretty well, but this is a roleplaying disadvantage to balance game-mechanical advantages, and if we learned anything from 2E, it's that that's not good game design. [/QUOTE]
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