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<blockquote data-quote="Methos of Aundair" data-source="post: 1753298" data-attributes="member: 21764">I’m tired so I apologize if I don’t make much sense in this.One observation to note is that a battlefist enhances the warforges’ natural attack, or his slam attack. So the question is whether or not a natural (slam) attack can be considered as a light weapon?It states under TWF that an unarmed strike is considered as a light weapon, but we already know that an unarmed strike is not considered a natural weapon except obviously for purposes &lt;snip&gt; (you know the rest of that statement). Anyway, by looking at a creature with a slam attack (in this case the vampire) we notice that the strength damage added to the attack is at 1.5x strength. Offhand I don’t know of any light weapons that deal 1.5x strength, as a matter of fact wouldn’t it then be considered a two-handed weapon, therefore could not be considered a light weapon? Hope that makes sense.Basically my point is can you consider a natural (slam) attack a light weapon? I’m thinking not, but then again I’m tired and unsure if I’m making sense.According to the MM 3.5 under Natural Weapons it states the slam attack is “the creature batters opponents with an appendage, dealing bludgeoning damage.”</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Methos of Aundair, post: 1753298, member: 21764"] I’m tired so I apologize if I don’t make much sense in this. One observation to note is that a battlefist enhances the warforges’ natural attack, or his slam attack. So the question is whether or not a natural (slam) attack can be considered as a light weapon? It states under TWF that an unarmed strike is considered as a light weapon, but we already know that an unarmed strike is not considered a natural weapon except obviously for purposes <snip> (you know the rest of that statement). Anyway, by looking at a creature with a slam attack (in this case the vampire) we notice that the strength damage added to the attack is at 1.5x strength. Offhand I don’t know of any light weapons that deal 1.5x strength, as a matter of fact wouldn’t it then be considered a two-handed weapon, therefore could not be considered a light weapon? Hope that makes sense. Basically my point is can you consider a natural (slam) attack a light weapon? I’m thinking not, but then again I’m tired and unsure if I’m making sense. According to the MM 3.5 under Natural Weapons it states the slam attack is “the creature batters opponents with an appendage, dealing bludgeoning damage.” [/QUOTE]

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