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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 8461759" data-attributes="member: 23">The outnumber rules in warhammer are pretty good and may solve this problem, and it fact it muddled my example, I shouldn't have used it (it's more troika-releveant really) &nbsp;but let us look at your more pertinent example - a skilled opponent vs a poor one.In almost every system, it's almost always bad news for a goblin to bet in a one on one fight vs a master swordsman - it's true in every edition of warhammer, D&amp;D, whatever.&nbsp; Unless the goblin has a way to equalize the fight (the swordsman is ill, in a trap, goblin friends), the goblin is toast.&nbsp; Clearly the best thing the goblin should do is avoid the fight and find a way to even the odds... but that's not always possible in battle.&nbsp; Maybe he's the last one left, cornered, and the swordsman is coming to finish him off?I just find it strange that, in warhammer 4e, the goblin attacking the swordsman is making it worse for the goblin.&nbsp; It's not just &quot;oh the goblin is probably going to miss&quot; or &quot;oh, the goblin will do a bit of damage but the swordsman is too tough to be seriously hurt by one goblin attack&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; No, the goblin attack's will most probably actively help the swordsman, and actively hurt the goblin's chance of winning.&nbsp; From a game design principle, I find this .... wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 8461759, member: 23"] The outnumber rules in warhammer are pretty good and may solve this problem, and it fact it muddled my example, I shouldn't have used it (it's more troika-releveant really) but let us look at your more pertinent example - a skilled opponent vs a poor one. In almost every system, it's almost always bad news for a goblin to bet in a one on one fight vs a master swordsman - it's true in every edition of warhammer, D&D, whatever. Unless the goblin has a way to equalize the fight (the swordsman is ill, in a trap, goblin friends), the goblin is toast. Clearly the best thing the goblin should do is avoid the fight and find a way to even the odds... but that's not always possible in battle. Maybe he's the last one left, cornered, and the swordsman is coming to finish him off? I just find it strange that, in warhammer 4e, the goblin attacking the swordsman is [I]making it worse[/I] for the goblin. It's not just "oh the goblin is probably going to miss" or "oh, the goblin will do a bit of damage but the swordsman is too tough to be seriously hurt by one goblin attack". No, the goblin attack's will [I]most probably[/I] actively help the swordsman, and actively hurt the goblin's chance of winning. From a game design principle, I find this .... wrong. [/QUOTE]

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