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<blockquote data-quote="dcollins" data-source="post: 1320706" data-attributes="member: 876">Here's an answer based on 3.0 rules, I assume 3.5 is the same. My answer is this: &quot;A warhorse will attack, not 'automatically', but any time its rider directs it to. No check is necessary.&quot;The Handle Animal skill doesn't mention mounts anywhere, that's what Ride is for. The tricks under Handle Animal are for directing an animal at a distance that you're not riding -- the attack &quot;trick&quot; language I see is &quot;fighting beside troops&quot;, i.e., on its own, not as a mount.The Ride check for &quot;fight with warhorse (DC 10)&quot; specifically says this:So, the only check necessary if you want both horse &amp; rider to attack at the same time. Nowhere is there a DC listed for &quot;direct your war-trained mount to attack&quot;. For warhorses, that counts under &quot;typical riding actions don't require checks&quot;. This is exactly repeated in the MM p. 196-197, where it says a &quot;warhorse can fight while carrying a rider [note no DC], but the rider cannot also attack unless he or she succeeds at a Ride check (DC 10)&quot;. Now, as a separate issue one might ask: can you direct a warhorse to fight on its own without a rider? That's more ambiguous, I would I rule &quot;no&quot; to that, assuming something like that really is a &quot;trick&quot; requiring Handle Animal skill.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dcollins, post: 1320706, member: 876"] Here's an answer based on 3.0 rules, I assume 3.5 is the same. My answer is this: "A warhorse will attack, not 'automatically', but any time its rider directs it to. No check is necessary." The Handle Animal skill doesn't mention mounts anywhere, that's what Ride is for. The tricks under Handle Animal are for directing an animal at a distance that you're not riding -- the attack "trick" language I see is "fighting beside troops", i.e., on its own, not as a mount. The Ride check for "fight with warhorse (DC 10)" specifically says this: So, the only check necessary if you want both horse & rider to attack at the same time. Nowhere is there a DC listed for "direct your war-trained mount to attack". For warhorses, that counts under "typical riding actions don't require checks". This is exactly repeated in the MM p. 196-197, where it says a "warhorse can fight while carrying a rider [note no DC], but the rider cannot also attack unless he or she succeeds at a Ride check (DC 10)". Now, as a separate issue one might ask: can you direct a warhorse to fight on its own without a rider? That's more ambiguous, I would I rule "no" to that, assuming something like that really is a "trick" requiring Handle Animal skill. [/QUOTE]

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