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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zorku" data-source="post: 6776841" data-attributes="member: 6799940">Note for Ovino: make sure you read this over thoroughly before you start writing up a reply. It might become a big waste of time otherwise.I guess I can make it easier to follow:When a baby fighter grows up he gets extra attacks.Everybody likes extra attacks, but it takes a whole action to cast a spell, so the wizard grows up and is sad.But wait, even though his spells take a whole action to cast we can just make them bigger and then everyone is happy!Seebs seems to think they are, as there's no 'rules for making an attack' that are relevant here if we're not talking about multiple attacks.If you'll be so careful as to include the caveat that these multiple attacks are a single casting of a spell then I think I'm on board.They're not simultaneous unless stated so and you can react to w/e in the middle of -the action- that it is a part of. There's no confusion here.No, because you all agreed wrong and that wasn't what I was talking about. I'm sure you have no problem with casting dispel in the middle of someone casting a spell that takes an hour to complete.You've already shown me how difficult you find it to keep up when I list all of the steps. Do you really want me to start only implying the logic?Strawman. Or you didn't read my post. I'll let you admit to the option that is the best fit.That's not an appeal to authority fallacy.Stop focusing on the what and look at the why. "WHY doesn't the logic work when you say 'authority x says so therefore it is so'?" Because, right there, authority means expert. You've committed an equivocation fallacy here, or to follow what I preach: You tried to use "an individual cited or appealed to as an expert" in place of "persons in command," or equivalent definitions. This is much akin to complaining about when the supreme court decides what laws actually mean.Wrong again. The fallacy is a substitution of what may simply be opinion in place of fact. There is no fallacy for refusing to show your work on a math problem.To the greatest degree possible yes. I'm not going to waste even more time delineating the limits of certainty but by all indications I appear to have about an decade of thoughtful reflection about logic over you. That doesn't mean a whole lot on it's own, but the mistakes I just pointed out should add some weight to my assessment of myself.I've addressed this since my post. What I said about fallacies is really directed at everyone.Ooh, is that another scarecrow?You're absolutely right about the lasers inside of an AMF. Good thing I already agreed. I'll admit a mistake now though: I neglected the line about spells not being able to be cast, so I retract all statements pertaining to that. I was treating it as if the spell could still be cast, just without manifesting any effect- more like the beholder's antimagic cone in older editions. If you weren't so busy feeling antagonized, you might have realized that statements that don't seem to pertain to you... don't pertain to you. Instead of playing iron chef and chopping that entire post into little slices that you still didn't understand you could have left all four items in the list together and simply asked who I was responding to. That clears up your same question all three times you asked it. If you'd made some strong declaration about the 3rd entry I could see plucking it out from the rest, but you seem to have thought that I was talking about the lasers existing within the sphere.Whee, contention.Now, I don't particularly care where you may feel insult during any of this. I may be abrasive, but I don't think I've ever used attacks against your character in place of arguments, so we can nip ad homs preemptively. If there's some uncertainty about the fallacies I pointed out, or you think that some non-rhetorical question I asked has an answer that will change how I'm looking at this, I'd be cool with not performing another iteration of quotation julienne. I'm only paying attention in that my inbox will notify me about being quoted, so I'm leaving it to you to decide if this is still important.</blockquote>

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