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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6777296" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>If I understand you correctly, then you wish to distinguish between spells that cannot be dispelled:-</p><p></p><p>* <strong>because</strong> the energy of the spell is somehow immune to being dispelled, even if the spell energy can exists as it is being targeted by <em>dispel magic</em></p><p></p><p>...and...</p><p></p><p>* <strong>because</strong> they magic of the spell exists only for an instant, and so no longer exists by the time a dispeller can target it with a dispel</p><p></p><p>I acknowledge the difference, but the reason I haven't addressed this before (neither has anyone else BTW) is because while the second case is part of the rules in 5E, <em>the first case is not!</em></p><p></p><p>There is no part of the rules that has a general quality of 'this magic is a type of magic that cannot be dispelled', and has a keyword like 'undispellable' in its stat block. There are spells which cannot be dispelled by <em>dispel magic</em>. <em>Wall of force</em> is such a spell. The wall is made of force(!), and this is the kind of 'magic' it is made of. That 'magic', that 'effect', has a duration of up to 10 minutes, during which time anyone could cast <em>dispel magic</em> on it. Usually, this would end the spell effect, the wall itself in this case, but the spell description says, "It is immune to all damage and <strong>can't be dispelled by <em>dispel magic</em></strong>. A <em>disintegrate</em> spell destroys the wall instantly, however".</p><p></p><p>(BTW, I don't care how much some people scour their dictionaries, 'destroyed instantly' means 'destroyed straight away', not 'destroyed over the period of a turn, allowing people to do stuff after it is disintegrated but before it is destroyed'!)</p><p></p><p>So this spell's magic is indeed immune to <em>dispel magic</em>, specifically. It is not immune to <em>all</em> spells though, and it is only immune to <em>dispel magic</em> because it says so. It needs to say so, because otherwise there is no reason for the magic of the spell to be immune to being dispelled.</p><p></p><p>'Instantaneous' spells on the other hand, are definitely of the second type. Type two here includes the quote of 'instantaneous' itself. These spells are <em>only</em> 'undispellable' because the magic only exists for an instant.</p><p></p><p>There is nothing in the description of <em>eldritch blast</em> that makes its 'magic' immune to being dispelled (as with <em>wall of force</em>). The only reason it cannot be dispelled is because it's 'instantaneous', and the only reason instantaneous spells cannot be dispelled is because, and I quote, "the magic exists only for an instant".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 6777296, member: 6799649"] If I understand you correctly, then you wish to distinguish between spells that cannot be dispelled:- * [b]because[/b] the energy of the spell is somehow immune to being dispelled, even if the spell energy can exists as it is being targeted by [I]dispel magic[/I] ...and... * [b]because[/b] they magic of the spell exists only for an instant, and so no longer exists by the time a dispeller can target it with a dispel I acknowledge the difference, but the reason I haven't addressed this before (neither has anyone else BTW) is because while the second case is part of the rules in 5E, [I]the first case is not![/I] There is no part of the rules that has a general quality of 'this magic is a type of magic that cannot be dispelled', and has a keyword like 'undispellable' in its stat block. There are spells which cannot be dispelled by [I]dispel magic[/I]. [I]Wall of force[/I] is such a spell. The wall is made of force(!), and this is the kind of 'magic' it is made of. That 'magic', that 'effect', has a duration of up to 10 minutes, during which time anyone could cast [I]dispel magic[/I] on it. Usually, this would end the spell effect, the wall itself in this case, but the spell description says, "It is immune to all damage and [b]can't be dispelled by [I]dispel magic[/I][/b]. A [I]disintegrate[/I] spell destroys the wall instantly, however". (BTW, I don't care how much some people scour their dictionaries, 'destroyed instantly' means 'destroyed straight away', not 'destroyed over the period of a turn, allowing people to do stuff after it is disintegrated but before it is destroyed'!) So this spell's magic is indeed immune to [I]dispel magic[/I], specifically. It is not immune to [I]all[/I] spells though, and it is only immune to [I]dispel magic[/I] because it says so. It needs to say so, because otherwise there is no reason for the magic of the spell to be immune to being dispelled. 'Instantaneous' spells on the other hand, are definitely of the second type. Type two here includes the quote of 'instantaneous' itself. These spells are [I]only[/I] 'undispellable' because the magic only exists for an instant. There is nothing in the description of [I]eldritch blast[/I] that makes its 'magic' immune to being dispelled (as with [I]wall of force[/I]). The only reason it cannot be dispelled is because it's 'instantaneous', and the only reason instantaneous spells cannot be dispelled is because, and I quote, "the magic exists only for an instant". [/QUOTE]
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