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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Noctem" data-source="post: 6804613" data-attributes="member: 6801315">I say you need to provide me an apple in my hand before I can eat the apple.  You then pick up an apple but don't give it to me.  You have failed to provide me an apple in my hand.  Because of this, I can't eat the apple.The rules say you need to provide the components before being able to cast the spell.  You then start then making sounds for the verbal component but never finish, do half the somatic symbols and don't provide the material cost involved.  You have failed to provide the components to begin casting the spell.  You can't then cast the spell, gain any of the spell effects or do anything at all in regards to this spell because you have failed to provide the components required to cast the spell.So that should clear up your first point.  Half-providing what is required is not providing what is required.  You don't get to claim that you're still providing the components, you're not.  If I'm required by law to provide you with a frame, bedding and blanket and I only provide you with a blanket, I have not provided what I was supposed to.  If you want to argue semantics like this I'll pass and let someone else beat their head against that particular wall.The raw says you have to provide ALL components to BEGIN casting the spell.  Your claim of retroactive causality is nonsense.  There's no retroactive event, if you fail to provide the components or something interrupts your spell casting like counterspell, you still had to provide all of the components before casting the spell, including the action type and spell slot needed.Also:Counterspell3rd-level abjurationCasting Time: 1 reaction, which you take when you see a creature within 60 feet of you casting a spellRange: 60 feetComponents: SDuration: InstantaneousYou attempt to interrupt a creature in the process of casting a spell. If the creature is casting a spell of 3rd level or lower, its spell fails and has no effect. If it is casting a spell of 4th level or higher, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a success, the creature’s spell fails and has no effect.I mean it literally says 4 times in the spell description that you're using Counterspell against a creature CASTING A SPELL.  So how you got "which happens after you've completed spell casting" is odd.  Shield at least is correct, the trigger is that you're hit and then you activate shield to potentially negate the hit.  Guessing you mixed up the two.</blockquote>

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