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<blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 5994652" data-attributes="member: 17077"><p>Sure, if that's the kind of story you want to tell. That said, I'd imagine that not all patrons are even interested in telling their warlocks what to do. Verenestra just wants your beauty. I doubt she cares what you do with the power you got out of the deal. On the other hand, I could see arch demons offering mortals the temptation of power as a means of recruiting followers in the mortal world, and being quite unhappy if the warlock goes rogue. Still, I can see other demons who are confident that the power they grants will corrupt the warlock eventually, and let them go their own way as long as they don't interfere with the demon's own plans.</p><p></p><p>In any case, those kinds of roleplying consequences are not what I have a problem with. The only part I strongly dislike is how you have to "pray" to your patron to refresh your powers. It's like the warlock doesn't have any real power of his own. So Verenestra gets to permanently steal some of the warlock's beauty, but the power the warlock gets out of the deal isn't even permanent? He has to go back and beg every time it runs out? That's crap.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The warlock doesn't choose the price. That's a built-in part of the pact's nature. The one example we have so far is a loss of physical beauty. Other pacts will of course have other costs. There really isn't any negotiation going on. The pact is what it is, and I doubt the patron can even change it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The patron collects its price from the warlock regardless, and as the warlock's power increases, the patron automatically gets even more from it. Verenestra gets to take more and more of your beauty as you grow in power, whether you have a continuing personal relationship with her or not. There's no getting out of that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's an interesting thought, but shouldn't the warlock have some say in it? I imagine that each archdemon's pact has very different benefits and drawbacks, according to its inner nature. It would really suck for the warlock if his "contract" could just be handed off to someone else and the nature of his powers totally changes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Falling Icicle, post: 5994652, member: 17077"] Sure, if that's the kind of story you want to tell. That said, I'd imagine that not all patrons are even interested in telling their warlocks what to do. Verenestra just wants your beauty. I doubt she cares what you do with the power you got out of the deal. On the other hand, I could see arch demons offering mortals the temptation of power as a means of recruiting followers in the mortal world, and being quite unhappy if the warlock goes rogue. Still, I can see other demons who are confident that the power they grants will corrupt the warlock eventually, and let them go their own way as long as they don't interfere with the demon's own plans. In any case, those kinds of roleplying consequences are not what I have a problem with. The only part I strongly dislike is how you have to "pray" to your patron to refresh your powers. It's like the warlock doesn't have any real power of his own. So Verenestra gets to permanently steal some of the warlock's beauty, but the power the warlock gets out of the deal isn't even permanent? He has to go back and beg every time it runs out? That's crap. The warlock doesn't choose the price. That's a built-in part of the pact's nature. The one example we have so far is a loss of physical beauty. Other pacts will of course have other costs. There really isn't any negotiation going on. The pact is what it is, and I doubt the patron can even change it. The patron collects its price from the warlock regardless, and as the warlock's power increases, the patron automatically gets even more from it. Verenestra gets to take more and more of your beauty as you grow in power, whether you have a continuing personal relationship with her or not. There's no getting out of that. That's an interesting thought, but shouldn't the warlock have some say in it? I imagine that each archdemon's pact has very different benefits and drawbacks, according to its inner nature. It would really suck for the warlock if his "contract" could just be handed off to someone else and the nature of his powers totally changes. [/QUOTE]
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