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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Satyrn" data-source="post: 7215013" data-attributes="member: 6801204">That seems like a different question again, though.WotC hasn't given us one AoE cantrip that I recall - poison spray - so we have a decent answer to your question: An AoE cantrip that looks like poison spray can be considered balanced with eldritch blast.But I think you're really asking about AoE cantrips balanced with an Agonizing Eldritch Blast. And my answer is that an AoE cantrip should be weaker than an Agonizing Blast, because that Agonizing Blast is balanced by not having power from some other invocation you could have chosen instead.I also don't think that a class feature that turns firebolt into an AoE cantrip to rival Agonizing Blast is the equivalent to an invocation that does so. If the class feature turns firebolt into Agonizing Blast's equal, then the warlock has no need to select Agonizing Blast, and now gets powered up by getting to choose some other invocation. Well, that actually might mean you've reached your goal, since you are trying to steer your players away from selecting Agonizing Blast.So, yeah.But I still think an invocation that powers up AoE cantrips to compete with Agonizing is a smaller change.I also think both changes will, at best, turn an eldritch blast spamming warlock into a AoE firebolt spammer. Does that really improve things?</blockquote>