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<blockquote data-quote="Irda Ranger" data-source="post: 7298706" data-attributes="member: 1003"><p>No, the primary disconnect is that you're arguing against a proposition that's obvious to anyone with eyes to see: Eldritch Blast is the best cantrip in the game, and a bunch of Invocations make it (and only it) even better. Which means your choices as a Warlock are (1) Eldritch Blast, or (2) a cantrip that isn't as good as Eldritch Blast.</p><p></p><p>The fact is, Warlocks are tied to Eldritch Blast in a way that no other class is tied to any one choice of weapon or cantrip (even Monks can use monk weapons as an alternative to their fists). This isn't a debatable point. The only question is whether you think it's fine or an unfortunately straightjacket (I'm in the latter camp). </p><p></p><p>Some people argue (correctly!) that Eldritch Blast is a solution to the Warlock's limited number of spell slots. It gives them something to do when they don't want to use of their precious slots. And as solutions go, it's an effective one. But it's also a single solution there's no equally effective alternative to (just less effective alternatives), whereas my suggested rules are generic solutions that would make Warlocks better with any cantrip.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I do have Tome Pact! It doesn't make other cantrips any better than Eldritch Blast. Choosing Fire Bolt for one of my three extra Cantrips when I already have Eldritch Blast would be stupid. I took Guidance, Mage Hand, and Thorn Whip (the last one so I have something to do in melee if I'm forced to).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Irda Ranger, post: 7298706, member: 1003"] No, the primary disconnect is that you're arguing against a proposition that's obvious to anyone with eyes to see: Eldritch Blast is the best cantrip in the game, and a bunch of Invocations make it (and only it) even better. Which means your choices as a Warlock are (1) Eldritch Blast, or (2) a cantrip that isn't as good as Eldritch Blast. The fact is, Warlocks are tied to Eldritch Blast in a way that no other class is tied to any one choice of weapon or cantrip (even Monks can use monk weapons as an alternative to their fists). This isn't a debatable point. The only question is whether you think it's fine or an unfortunately straightjacket (I'm in the latter camp). Some people argue (correctly!) that Eldritch Blast is a solution to the Warlock's limited number of spell slots. It gives them something to do when they don't want to use of their precious slots. And as solutions go, it's an effective one. But it's also a single solution there's no equally effective alternative to (just less effective alternatives), whereas my suggested rules are generic solutions that would make Warlocks better with any cantrip. I do have Tome Pact! It doesn't make other cantrips any better than Eldritch Blast. Choosing Fire Bolt for one of my three extra Cantrips when I already have Eldritch Blast would be stupid. I took Guidance, Mage Hand, and Thorn Whip (the last one so I have something to do in melee if I'm forced to). [/QUOTE]
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