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<blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7342355" data-attributes="member: 6880599">True I forgot he still go thieves tools and was counting that against it. Still a permeant lose of a relevant skill to get an ASI one level faster at the level 4-5 range does not seem worth the trade. If we were talking about the level 12 or level 16 ASI, it becomes an issue but with the plan to go full rogue after level 5 with 4 in warlock it will not even effect the level 8 ASI.... so your losing a skill for a very minor weight for your level 4 feat? Due to exponential leveling time , if the character makes it to level 12 he will have spent only small fraction of its time waiting for a feat. If there was not a skill to fill the slot that was relevant to the build sure, but also add to that the warlock class as a excludes getting Performance and Persuasion which are at the heart of the design description, and the multi-class rogue lets you get one, but starting with rogue lets you get both. That said to each his own. Its not a good trade for the 4lvl ASI/Feat to be one level faster but its not going to break the game. I imagine your going to want to take performance to double down on the actor feet but then after convincing them your some one else your hopping to persuade them to do things without persuasion skill relying on a high base charisma? Although, you could take persuasion and ask your GM to only ever use Deception for checks when trying to pass yourself off as a different person. Its just situational. I generally, use Deception if its a specific someone the target knows and performance if its just to act like a generic &quot;guard&quot;. If your GM doesn't run it that way it might not really matter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ClaytonCross, post: 7342355, member: 6880599"] True I forgot he still go thieves tools and was counting that against it. Still a permeant lose of a relevant skill to get an ASI one level faster at the level 4-5 range does not seem worth the trade. If we were talking about the level 12 or level 16 ASI, it becomes an issue but with the plan to go full rogue after level 5 with 4 in warlock it will not even effect the level 8 ASI.... so your losing a skill for a very minor weight for your level 4 feat? Due to exponential leveling time , if the character makes it to level 12 he will have spent only small fraction of its time waiting for a feat. If there was not a skill to fill the slot that was relevant to the build sure, but also add to that the warlock class as a excludes getting Performance and Persuasion which are at the heart of the design description, and the multi-class rogue lets you get one, but starting with rogue lets you get both. That said to each his own. Its not a good trade for the 4lvl ASI/Feat to be one level faster but its not going to break the game. I imagine your going to want to take performance to double down on the actor feet but then after convincing them your some one else your hopping to persuade them to do things without persuasion skill relying on a high base charisma? Although, you could take persuasion and ask your GM to only ever use Deception for checks when trying to pass yourself off as a different person. Its just situational. I generally, use Deception if its a specific someone the target knows and performance if its just to act like a generic "guard". If your GM doesn't run it that way it might not really matter. [/QUOTE]

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