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<blockquote data-quote="Waterbizkit" data-source="post: 7131962" data-attributes="member: 6802604">Actually Yunru is entirely correct and you are not. The improved forms available to a Pact of the Chain Warlock and the Variant Familiar sidebars in the MM are two completely different things. The former simply allows for alternative forms the Warlock can pick from what summoning a spirit per the spell, the latter involves a pact made with an otherwise free-willed entity. The two are not the same and a frequent point of confusion when discussing this topic. And if anything your direct quote of the PHB only demonstrated you're incorrectly interpreting said rule.As to the greater topic at hand, others have said about everything I could hope to really contribute. The main factors I always try to hammer home when these topics come up, and they do more often than you'd think, it's that: as above, always remember that the Warlocks improved familiar is not the same as the variant familiars presented in the MM... and that just because a creature cannot be seen because it's invisible does not mean it's undetectable, it still needs to make a successful stealth check to move about unnoticed. Anyway, I'm phone posting from work, so I'll leave it at that because I can't properly proofread or edit posts when doing it like this. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Waterbizkit, post: 7131962, member: 6802604"] Actually Yunru is entirely correct and you are not. The improved forms available to a Pact of the Chain Warlock and the Variant Familiar sidebars in the MM are two completely different things. The former simply allows for alternative forms the Warlock can pick from what summoning a spirit per the spell, the latter involves a pact made with an otherwise free-willed entity. The two are not the same and a frequent point of confusion when discussing this topic. And if anything your direct quote of the PHB only demonstrated you're incorrectly interpreting said rule. As to the greater topic at hand, others have said about everything I could hope to really contribute. The main factors I always try to hammer home when these topics come up, and they do more often than you'd think, it's that: as above, always remember that the Warlocks improved familiar [b]is not the same[/b] as the variant familiars presented in the MM... and that just because a creature cannot be seen because it's invisible does not mean it's undetectable, it still needs to make a successful stealth check to move about unnoticed. Anyway, I'm phone posting from work, so I'll leave it at that because I can't properly proofread or edit posts when doing it like this. :p [/QUOTE]

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