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<blockquote data-quote="Bleoberis De Ganis" data-source="post: 4684891" data-attributes="member: 77687">Take the pact powers and choose which ones look the most demonic. Then turn them into Diabolic Pact by changing some of the cruch/fluff.&nbsp;Add some Rage/Frenzy type elements.&nbsp;They have said pacts don't work with demons, but seeing as how pacts don't really have any real mechanics in 4E (annoyed) other than a couple of fluff sentences that go ignored, I don't see why you couldn't make your own logic. Perhaps making a pact does not have to mean actually meeting and applying for an application with the thing you are making a pact with.&nbsp;I imagine pacts in 4E are more like clerics in 3E, where as 4E clerics are running on faith rather than channeling divine powers (with the exception of the Channel Divine powers.)&nbsp;Probably too much effort, especially with balance - but imagine a demonic, diabolic pact, raging warlock.&nbsp;If it is an NPC, they have very little powers to use anyway, unlike a whole actual class, so it shouldn't be that difficult.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bleoberis De Ganis, post: 4684891, member: 77687"] Take the pact powers and choose which ones look the most demonic. Then turn them into Diabolic Pact by changing some of the cruch/fluff. Add some Rage/Frenzy type elements. They have said pacts don't work with demons, but seeing as how pacts don't really have any real mechanics in 4E (annoyed) other than a couple of fluff sentences that go ignored, I don't see why you couldn't make your own logic. Perhaps making a pact does not have to mean actually meeting and applying for an application with the thing you are making a pact with. I imagine pacts in 4E are more like clerics in 3E, where as 4E clerics are running on faith rather than channeling divine powers (with the exception of the Channel Divine powers.) Probably too much effort, especially with balance - but imagine a demonic, diabolic pact, raging warlock. If it is an NPC, they have very little powers to use anyway, unlike a whole actual class, so it shouldn't be that difficult. [/QUOTE]

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