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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 6295355" data-attributes="member: 6775031"><p>The general problem with third-party material is that, while it's designed to be used with the core product, the core product isn't written in a way to take the new stuff into consideration. It also doesn't have quite the budget for quality assurance, so you get errors (although first-party stuff has its own share of problems, as well).</p><p></p><p>Judging by the Arcane Armor Mastery class feature for the warlock - <span style="font-size: 9px"><em><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'">At 1st level, the warlock does not suffer an </span></span><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor#TOC-Arcane-Spell-Failure-Chance" target="_blank">arcane failure penalty</a><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"> when using a school ability while wearing light armor </span></span></em><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'">- </span></span></span>it sounds like it was written under the assumption that arcane spell failure would apply, even though ASF doesn't normally apply to Supernatural abilities. That sounds to me as though they want the class to treat these abilities as though they were spells, even though the rules of the game go against it. It was probably an honest mistake by the class designer. </p><p></p><p>So how does that extend to provoking an AoO? Well, you don't know. We don't have enough information to go by. The RAW are in contradiction to the general rules of the game. Honestly, the best thing to do at this point would be to ask your GM, and give all relevant information. You're not going to find a consensus online.</p><p></p><p>And just to show how little consensus you're going to find, I'm going to disagree on the Dimensional Agility thing as well - after you spend your swift action for the ability, you would be able to take any actions you have remaining (standard+move, or full-round). The feat describes the physical trait which your character possesses, and there's no good reason why it wouldn't apply in a situation that is <em>just like </em>a situation where it applies. I can't imagine which physical reality it could possible be modeling, if the feat didn't apply.</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't even call it a house rule. I would just say that it's my honest interpretation of what the RAW is trying to say, once you get past its obtuse language.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 6295355, member: 6775031"] The general problem with third-party material is that, while it's designed to be used with the core product, the core product isn't written in a way to take the new stuff into consideration. It also doesn't have quite the budget for quality assurance, so you get errors (although first-party stuff has its own share of problems, as well). Judging by the Arcane Armor Mastery class feature for the warlock - [SIZE=1][I][COLOR=#000000][FONT=trebuchet ms]At 1st level, the warlock does not suffer an [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor#TOC-Arcane-Spell-Failure-Chance"]arcane failure penalty[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=trebuchet ms] when using a school ability while wearing light armor [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#000000][FONT=trebuchet ms]- [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]it sounds like it was written under the assumption that arcane spell failure would apply, even though ASF doesn't normally apply to Supernatural abilities. That sounds to me as though they want the class to treat these abilities as though they were spells, even though the rules of the game go against it. It was probably an honest mistake by the class designer. So how does that extend to provoking an AoO? Well, you don't know. We don't have enough information to go by. The RAW are in contradiction to the general rules of the game. Honestly, the best thing to do at this point would be to ask your GM, and give all relevant information. You're not going to find a consensus online. And just to show how little consensus you're going to find, I'm going to disagree on the Dimensional Agility thing as well - after you spend your swift action for the ability, you would be able to take any actions you have remaining (standard+move, or full-round). The feat describes the physical trait which your character possesses, and there's no good reason why it wouldn't apply in a situation that is [I]just like [/I]a situation where it applies. I can't imagine which physical reality it could possible be modeling, if the feat didn't apply. I wouldn't even call it a house rule. I would just say that it's my honest interpretation of what the RAW is trying to say, once you get past its obtuse language. [/QUOTE]
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