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<blockquote data-quote="buzz" data-source="post: 4397223" data-attributes="member: 6777">This is how we were playing it, but it's a good point that the definition of Opposed Checks on p. 178 specifically states that both sides roll, which would imply that you don't use passive Perception vs. Stealth.Unfortunately, p. 179's example of of Passive Checks specifically uses passive Perception vs. Stealth. It also flat out says &quot;you’re assumed to be taking 10 for any opposed checks using that skill.&quot;I think that &quot;roll&quot; is a term unconnected to &quot;active&quot; or &quot;passive.&quot; It might be better to see &quot;roll&quot; as synonymous with &quot;check,&quot; which can be either. Ergo, an Opposed Check doesn't mean a passive score can't be used.That said, since Passive Checks are based on Take 10, and you can't Take 10 in combat, I feel like my decision to not use passive Perception during combat in our game last weekend was the right call. As pointed out above, I think this also makes the active-as-Minor-in-combat Perception rule more effective, since it better allows for the possibility of beating the Stealth roll by 10 or more.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="buzz, post: 4397223, member: 6777"] This is how we were playing it, but it's a good point that the definition of Opposed Checks on p. 178 specifically states that both sides roll, which would imply that you don't use passive Perception vs. Stealth. Unfortunately, p. 179's example of of Passive Checks specifically uses passive Perception vs. Stealth. It also flat out says "you’re assumed to be taking 10 for any opposed checks using that skill." I think that "roll" is a term unconnected to "active" or "passive." It might be better to see "roll" as synonymous with "check," which can be either. Ergo, an Opposed Check doesn't mean a passive score can't be used. That said, since Passive Checks are based on Take 10, and you can't Take 10 in combat, I feel like my decision to not use passive Perception during combat in our game last weekend was the right call. As pointed out above, I think this also makes the active-as-Minor-in-combat Perception rule more effective, since it better allows for the possibility of beating the Stealth roll by 10 or more. [/QUOTE]

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