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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 4348748" data-attributes="member: 71699">Many players are ignoring the rules on page 178, and assuming that the DM must grant a Stealth check. It works like this Cover and Concealment are pre-conditions that must be satisfied in order to qualify for a Stealth check. Shadow Walk gives you Concealment. Being around a corner gives you Cover, even if that corner is one square away from your enemy. In no case should fluff intervene: we don't care why those things work as they do. Having Cover or Concealment let's you try to perform an action stealthily. The DM is not required to grant that request. She can deny you a stealth check if she deems the given situation is inappropriate. That's it. This argument is RAW base, and non-selective: it uses all the RAW, not just the parts that seem to support some views. Note that there are powers that explicitly oblige your DM to either allow a Stealth check or exercise fiat and overrule RAW. Shadow Walk is not one of those powers. Customer Service response to this question'Can the DM following the rules as written on PHB178 and PHB188 deny a Stealth check to a player who has Cover or Concealment?' That would be on the grounds that they deem the given situation inappropriate.' Was 'On page 178 of the Players Handbook, the last paragraph on the left side of the page states "The DM tells you if a skill check is appropriate in a given situation or directs you to make a check if circumstances call for one." On Page 188 under the description of stealth, under the Cover or Concealment section it states "...You must have cover against or concealment from the creature to make a stealth check". These rules do not state that the player must be granted a stealth check. It is to the DM's discretion if they would like to allow a stealth check or not. As per page 188 the DM will also set the DC for the stealth check should one be made. I hope this information is useful.' -vk</blockquote>

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