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Message: <blockquote data-quote="N0Man" data-source="post: 4871056" data-attributes="member: 64066">The biggest reason is because that it seems to go against the spirit of what the powers were designed to do.  I don't think anyone can honestly say that they believe that it was the intention of the design of teleport powers to give a free d10 of damage per 2 squares you teleport an enemy.Allowing vertical teleportation frequently gives more damage dice than that which is actually listed for the power.  Do you really think that this is what's intended?In my example, I stated I'd only let them teleport to 1 square off a cliff and allow them a saving throw as an exception to the rule that they had to be teleported on a flat surface.  I don't believe teleportation should just be vastly more powerful than pushes and slides (hence I wouldn't allow vertical teleportation), but I don't want to be worse than pushes and slides either (hence I allow an exception to the solid ground rule).Having only a tiny number of classes that get a big damage bonus arbitrarily due to an exploitation of an effect isn't a defense against something being OP, it's more like a proof.  If everyone could do it, then there wouldn't be a huge advantage or disadvantage between classes.  It would still be cheesy, and still against what I believe was the intention, but at least it would be balanced and therefor not OP in comparison to other classes.  Allowing a small number of classes the ability to exploit a certain effect gives them a huge advantage over other classes that do the same job (moving enemies) through other mechanisms (pushes and slides).  That is why is is OP.That might be true, though I don't know any DM that would allow this.  DMs are different.  Some DMs are more restrictive than me and don't even allow legitimate use of abilities that are explicitly allowed by rules.  Some DMs will allow things that are completely broken and are completely contrary to the rules.  Experiences will vary.However, back in the AD&D days, I remember people getting away with using Create Water to "create water on the monster's brain and instantly killing it".  I remember people using Enlarge Person to enlarge an enemy, but not their armor, and squeeze them to death.  So many classic spells have been abused so much that in 3.0 and 3.5, the list of exceptions to cover what you couldn't do are often longer than what you can do.This is one of the reasons to have a DM, to judge what appears to be the intention of powers rather than allowing players to twist the intent of spells to make them far greater in power than was intended.  I think vertical teleportation falls (no pun intended) in to this realm.By default?  I don't think there are any in the Monster Manuals.  Potentially?  I think the "creating monsters" section of the DM's Toolbox chapter in the Dungeon Master's Guide is the closest I can come to answering that question.  If players insist on abusing a mechanic like that?  They might run into a lot more.</blockquote>

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