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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 4874312" data-attributes="member: 27160">There is a huge discussion on this on the WotC boards, and the summary is this:Rules as Written say that teleport vertically, with no save, is the normal situation (unless the power concerned says otherwise).Rules as Intended is debatable, but the comments in a sidebar in the Draconomicon suggest that it is intended, but that DMs are advised to teleport PCs only just over the edges of cliffs and so to allow a "catch hold" saving throw.A careful look at the powers that allow teleporting another shows that none of them are obviously overpowered compared to non-Paragon Path powers of the same level (PP powers come as an indivisible 'set', so should be considered as a 'package' rather than exclusively against other powers of the same level).  I'm not going to recap the wads of examples given over there, but check it out for yourself - compare Twist in Space to Winter's Wrath, Elemental Maw to Prismatic Spray, and so on and so on.  If you have a DDI sub the Compendium is very handy for this.I say all this as a DM who originally had the same kneejerk reaction folk here did - it must be abusive, right?  When I looked closer I found, actually, no, not really.  So I allow it.Yep - take a good, hard look at those powers alongside others at the same level.  Calc out some average damages on a hit.  Remember that any power - from a Melee Basic Attack up - does damage with no save if it hits.  Look at how many of those powers teleport on a miss.  Consider that fall damage gets no bonus damage and does not maximise on a Crit.  Consider that headroom and/or cliffs to drop enemies is situational.  And, finally, consider that even Bull Rush can be lethal if you put a vast cliff into the encounter - which is exactly why the DMG strongly suggests you don't do that.  The DMG 'falls' table is calibrated so that an un-bloodied character should seldom be dead or dying after a fall - that is what stops 'insta-kill', not the saving throw or any other restriction.As regards the original post: the thing that leaps out at me is where did an item that adds 4 squares to all teleports come from?  I have seen items add to personal teleports, but all teleports seems overpowered for reasons of the capabilities of teleport itself.  Do you have an item name?</blockquote>

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