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<blockquote data-quote="SailorNash" data-source="post: 6781351" data-attributes="member: 6788401"><p>That's an interesting reading. Not that I necessarily disagree. That interpretation would net you at least two new spells learned ("that spell" plus what you traded it for) by taking the feat. However, if you don't actually lose "that spell" when you trade it in, it's still known by virtue of the feat to cash in again. As it's then a non-expendable currency, you could net a free spell PER LEVEL by continuing this. Though you still only have one free first-level cast and could only cast the better spells with your normal limit of slots. </p><p></p><p>The part I focus in on instead is the word "replace", meaning that the new selection fully takes the place of the other. You now know the new spell, by virtue of the same learning mechanism as before, but the spell itself has been replaced by a better one in the same spot. </p><p></p><p>(By the same token, the word "replace" is the only thing that suggests you actually lose the original spell. It does mean that you forget that spell and can no longer cast it, but only because you now cast the new spell in its place.)</p><p></p><p>"That spell" could mean something that was chosen and locked-in at feat selection, but broken apart it looks more like it's only referring to "the thing that was learned". The first line says to choose a spell. The second line, taken separately, only says that you can cast it at it's lowest level (not necessarily "first level"). If that spell is ever relearned, the new spell and level would apply.</p><p></p><p>Should work for Bard as well. I forget what I originally saw in Warlock...either I had another abuse in mind that tied directly to Pact Magic and simply forgot, or I talked myself out of my own question. Though in the case of Sorcerers and Bards, it'd actually be worse as they're full Level 9 casters whereas Warlocks only have Level 5 plus Arcanum.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SailorNash, post: 6781351, member: 6788401"] That's an interesting reading. Not that I necessarily disagree. That interpretation would net you at least two new spells learned ("that spell" plus what you traded it for) by taking the feat. However, if you don't actually lose "that spell" when you trade it in, it's still known by virtue of the feat to cash in again. As it's then a non-expendable currency, you could net a free spell PER LEVEL by continuing this. Though you still only have one free first-level cast and could only cast the better spells with your normal limit of slots. The part I focus in on instead is the word "replace", meaning that the new selection fully takes the place of the other. You now know the new spell, by virtue of the same learning mechanism as before, but the spell itself has been replaced by a better one in the same spot. (By the same token, the word "replace" is the only thing that suggests you actually lose the original spell. It does mean that you forget that spell and can no longer cast it, but only because you now cast the new spell in its place.) "That spell" could mean something that was chosen and locked-in at feat selection, but broken apart it looks more like it's only referring to "the thing that was learned". The first line says to choose a spell. The second line, taken separately, only says that you can cast it at it's lowest level (not necessarily "first level"). If that spell is ever relearned, the new spell and level would apply. Should work for Bard as well. I forget what I originally saw in Warlock...either I had another abuse in mind that tied directly to Pact Magic and simply forgot, or I talked myself out of my own question. Though in the case of Sorcerers and Bards, it'd actually be worse as they're full Level 9 casters whereas Warlocks only have Level 5 plus Arcanum. [/QUOTE]
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