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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 3944006" data-attributes="member: 11586">Nah, you're wrong.  Hard to explain my interpretation to someone who doesn't know the basic defintion of rules terminology.  Look up immunity for me.1) Ok, I follow you.  No arguement here.2) Ok...  What I am saying is that the only thing useful we can take from this part is the mechanics aspect.  The rest is just the in-game reason it works.  They could just as easily said "a bit of your soul must be sacrificed" or "your health is weakened" or "your stamina is a bit drained".  None of that "fluff" matters when it comes down to what they are getting at.  And what they are getting at is the last part of the paragraph where it discusses (a) not having a Con score and (b) not being somehow immune to Con damage.  And as I HOPE we can agree on, Strongheart Vest doesn't make you IMMUNE to ability point damage, no more than Damage Reduction makes you immune to damage (if they damage doesn't exceed the DR) and same for Energy Resistance."sprit" of the rules = designer intent = unless you are the designer, your opinion about it is just as valid as mine."letter" of the rules = mechanics (using specific game terms and rules) = the facts, something you can't argue about unless you don't know the rules and are arguing for the sake of arguing.Let's stop right there for a minute.  Of course i wouldn't tell him I am immune to the effect.  That is my point.  I would tell him that the 1 point of Con damage I take is reduced to 0 from my SHV.I am agreeing with you here.  I am not immune to Con damage.  I take the Con damage, and reduce any of that Con damage by 1 point.  In this case, the damage I take is reduced to  0.  No need to dance around something we agree on.  But if you want, feel free to call it a pirouette.And as Matdeception requested let's quickly end this argument in the bud and say 'Open to DM interpretation'.Which I tried to do.  But if you insist to keep on it, so be it.  It is clear I am not going to change your mind, and you aren't going to change my mind, so what's the point?  But if you want to waste time, go ahead, I have time to waste as well.</blockquote>

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