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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 9474701" data-attributes="member: 6750235">How does someone else (a Patron) gifting these to the warlock representative of the Wizard's intellect and study where the wizard did it themself?How so?&nbsp; I just compared this to almost half the other classes available and it didn't fall apart.&nbsp; The half the classes most similar to the wizard.&nbsp; Being something that applies to other class progression doesn't make these features not part of the wizard class progression.&nbsp; It's not like those levels stop existing to grant the wizard a feat just because those levels are also there for a barbarian.&nbsp; A wizard is, however, very likely to use those levels much differently than a barbarian in feat selection.They aren't universal either.&nbsp; That's why multiclassing doesn't allow them to be gained on the character level, delays them, and can potentially lose access to some of those levels.&nbsp; But if we omit them then we omit them for everyone else too so it becomes moot and doesn't change my point that wizards aren't significantly different from other spellcasters in having those empty levels.I think you're confusing empty levels with &quot;not wizardly feature levels&quot;, which is something different but that still misses subclass features and the fact that the feats taken are going to feats that suit a wizard instead of feats that suit the fighter or rogue you mentioned.Intelligence is described as &quot;reasoning and memory&quot; in the PHB.&nbsp; Training, learning, and education also exists outside of reasoning and memory regardless of memory making it easier.Beyond that, drawing on the ancient knowledge of other beings doesn't demonstrate any personal level intelligence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 9474701, member: 6750235"] How does someone else (a Patron) gifting these to the warlock representative of the Wizard's intellect and study where the wizard did it themself? How so? I just compared this to almost half the other classes available and it didn't fall apart. The half the classes most similar to the wizard. Being something that applies to other class progression doesn't make these features not part of the wizard class progression. It's not like those levels stop existing to grant the wizard a feat just because those levels are also there for a barbarian. A wizard is, however, very likely to use those levels much differently than a barbarian in feat selection. They aren't universal either. That's why multiclassing doesn't allow them to be gained on the character level, delays them, and can potentially lose access to some of those levels. But if we omit them then we omit them for everyone else too so it becomes moot and doesn't change my point that wizards aren't significantly different from other spellcasters in having those empty levels. I think you're confusing empty levels with "not wizardly feature levels", which is something different but that still misses subclass features and the fact that the feats taken are going to feats that suit a wizard instead of feats that suit the fighter or rogue you mentioned. Intelligence is described as "reasoning and memory" in the PHB. Training, learning, and education also exists outside of reasoning and memory regardless of memory making it easier. Beyond that, drawing on the ancient knowledge of other beings doesn't demonstrate any personal level intelligence. [/QUOTE]

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