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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 1960033" data-attributes="member: 284">I disagree with you there. If it was, then a full attack action with a bow would not provoke. Manyshot would not provoke.  You seem to be using that table as the only arbiter of what actions provoke, but then you say the table is wrong when you disagree with part of it.  I think there is a general principle at work: Any ranged weapon attack provokes, unless you have something that specifically states otherwise. That fits the rules without having to declare any part of the table wrong.  Attack (ranged) provokes because it's a Standard Attack Action being used to make a ranged attack. Melee, ranged, or unarmed, it's still a Standard Attack Action. It's the type of attack you use it for that determines if an AoO is provoked.  Exactly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  And you are not actually touching them when you hit them with a melee touch spell either. The spell is touching them.  And when you touch them with a ranged touch spell, it is the spell that is touching them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> In each case, you aren't actually touching them, but in the common usage of english, it is phrased as if you are, since you are directing the thing used to touch them.       ........  This is why I hate it when discussions focus on the minutae of the rules and language, rather than the principles and intent behind the rules. You can render any sentence meaningless if you parse it close enough, or start bringing in idiomatic uses of the language as if they applied.  I'm just blowing smoke. I agree that a Touch Spell is most reasonabley intended to be a melee touch attack.  However, I still think that any attack with a ranged weapon provokes, whether it is part of a spell, full attack action, or standard action.   I was kind of hoping someone would convince me otherwise, because it would be good news for my sorcerer.</blockquote>

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