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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 1964822" data-attributes="member: 284"><p>Oh yes you have.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>So you admit that you did in fact make this change. </p><p> </p><p>Here's my question, under your reading of the rules: Why do you say it's wrong? Why should you provoke multiple AoO's when making the Full Attack action with a ranged weapon? After all, you say that ranged weapon attacks aren't what provoke AoO's.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>But you just said that attacking is not what provokes, it's the action. Why are you contradicting yourself now?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Er... no, feats which provoke an AoO generally state this in the feat description. Under your reading of the rules, Manyshot would not provoke. Declaring that it does would be a house rule at this point. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>How do you justify it provoking? What is it about the feat that makes you think it should provoke? It's not an Attack (ranged) action afterall. Just a ranged attack. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Only under your reading of the rules. Under my reading, ranged weapon attacks provoke. </p><p> </p><p>And generally, the PHB only states if the feat provokes. It only says the feat won't provoke if the feat modifies an action that normally provokes (like Improved Grapple or Improved Disarm). </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No, I believe that I'm using the rules as written. They say that Ranged Weapon Attacks provoke, right there in the definitioin of attacks of opportunity. You've quoted the relevent text yourself.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I'm not saying that I'm 100% sure that a ranged touch spell should provoke two AoO's. There's still a fair amount of ambiguity about whether ranged touch spells actually count as ranged weapons for all rules purposes (in spite of my poke at Abraxus earlier). But I haven't seen an alternate reading of the rules that seems internally consistent to me. </p><p> </p><p>And there is a precedent in the rules for a single action providing multiple opportunities for an AoO: The Full Attack Action with a ranged weapon. I believe that you agree that it would provoke an AoO for each individual attack, even though it is a single Full Round Action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 1964822, member: 284"] Oh yes you have. So you admit that you did in fact make this change. Here's my question, under your reading of the rules: Why do you say it's wrong? Why should you provoke multiple AoO's when making the Full Attack action with a ranged weapon? After all, you say that ranged weapon attacks aren't what provoke AoO's. But you just said that attacking is not what provokes, it's the action. Why are you contradicting yourself now? Er... no, feats which provoke an AoO generally state this in the feat description. Under your reading of the rules, Manyshot would not provoke. Declaring that it does would be a house rule at this point. How do you justify it provoking? What is it about the feat that makes you think it should provoke? It's not an Attack (ranged) action afterall. Just a ranged attack. :) Only under your reading of the rules. Under my reading, ranged weapon attacks provoke. And generally, the PHB only states if the feat provokes. It only says the feat won't provoke if the feat modifies an action that normally provokes (like Improved Grapple or Improved Disarm). No, I believe that I'm using the rules as written. They say that Ranged Weapon Attacks provoke, right there in the definitioin of attacks of opportunity. You've quoted the relevent text yourself. I'm not saying that I'm 100% sure that a ranged touch spell should provoke two AoO's. There's still a fair amount of ambiguity about whether ranged touch spells actually count as ranged weapons for all rules purposes (in spite of my poke at Abraxus earlier). But I haven't seen an alternate reading of the rules that seems internally consistent to me. And there is a precedent in the rules for a single action providing multiple opportunities for an AoO: The Full Attack Action with a ranged weapon. I believe that you agree that it would provoke an AoO for each individual attack, even though it is a single Full Round Action. [/QUOTE]
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