Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Million Dollar TTRPG Crowdfunders
Most Anticipated Tabletop RPGs Of The Year
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Warlock's Eldritch Blast?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1965068" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>Because a ranged weapon attack is an action, which provokes an attack of opportunity. The text clearly states that... here's the passage again:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In short...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then it goes on to say...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, we take a look at table 8-2 and find the Attack (ranged) action, which is a standard action focussing on attacking with a ranged weapon, and which provokes an attack of opportunity.</p><p></p><p>So we see, that when attacking with a ranged weapon you do indeed provoke an attack of opportunity in the process, because you have to perform an action, which does so.</p><p></p><p>Of course, the fact, that you are attacking with a ranged weapon is rather crucial in the provoking an attack of opportunity, but it's not the attack, but the action which provokes the AoO. If you are casting a spell, the fact, that you also attack with a ranged weapon (ranged touch spell) is irrelevant, since you do not perform an action, which is focused on attacking with a ranged weapon, but an action, which is focused on casting a spell. That's what provokes the AoO, the action.</p><p></p><p>As the ranged attack is only listed as a standard action (it really should be under action type varies, as Hypersmurf said somewhere above), we are left to ourselves to draw the conclusions. A ranged attack really seems to fall into the same category as a disarm or grapple (or trip) attempt, if you look at it closely (it can be done as a standard or a full-round action, so it varies). An action with the action type: varies, which can be a sub-element of the Full Attack action.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I just said, that even if the Full Attack action does not provoke by itself (the table quite clearly states that), it's still the action (sub-action in this context), which provokes.</p><p></p><p>The other way to look at it would be what I said initially, that the Full Attack action should say "maybe", because it sometimes provokes AoO and sometimes not, depending on what kind of sub-action you take with the multiple attacks.</p><p></p><p>This is not contradictory in the way you meant, just two different viewpoints, both are fully consistent with the way I read the rules; tho after putting some thought into the matter, I believe the first makes more sense, really, and then the "error" in the table I first mentioned with the Full Attack action would not be existent, so it's obviously "better" that way.</p><p></p><p>But in any case... the action provokes, so there is no contradiction to that part, whatsoever.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Really? Name a single one from the PHB that does, please. Havn't found one myself...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The fact, that it is very close to the Attack (ranged) action. I already said, that it should state that it does provoke, it does not. Neither does it state, that it does not provoke. It is also not listed on the table of actions, which provoke, therefore it's not covered in the rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, really? So where exactly do they say, that attacking provokes an attack of opportunity and not performing an action (which lets you attack)?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, where exactly does this say anything but that actions provoke attacks or opportunity?</p><p></p><p>It doesn't even say, that attacking with a ranged weapon provokes. It only says, that it is a (distracting) action.</p><p></p><p>The glossary entry about attacks of opportunity also says, that you get to make one, if an action provoked it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A single action, which can be broken down into multiple actions, yes (otherwise there would be not point in listing disarm and grapple as provoking actions, because there is no Disarm or Grapple action on the same level as an Attack or Full Attack action).</p><p></p><p>This alone is the reason, that it can provoke multiple AoOs.</p><p></p><p>Bye</p><p>Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 1965068, member: 478"] Because a ranged weapon attack is an action, which provokes an attack of opportunity. The text clearly states that... here's the passage again: In short... Then it goes on to say... So, we take a look at table 8-2 and find the Attack (ranged) action, which is a standard action focussing on attacking with a ranged weapon, and which provokes an attack of opportunity. So we see, that when attacking with a ranged weapon you do indeed provoke an attack of opportunity in the process, because you have to perform an action, which does so. Of course, the fact, that you are attacking with a ranged weapon is rather crucial in the provoking an attack of opportunity, but it's not the attack, but the action which provokes the AoO. If you are casting a spell, the fact, that you also attack with a ranged weapon (ranged touch spell) is irrelevant, since you do not perform an action, which is focused on attacking with a ranged weapon, but an action, which is focused on casting a spell. That's what provokes the AoO, the action. As the ranged attack is only listed as a standard action (it really should be under action type varies, as Hypersmurf said somewhere above), we are left to ourselves to draw the conclusions. A ranged attack really seems to fall into the same category as a disarm or grapple (or trip) attempt, if you look at it closely (it can be done as a standard or a full-round action, so it varies). An action with the action type: varies, which can be a sub-element of the Full Attack action. I just said, that even if the Full Attack action does not provoke by itself (the table quite clearly states that), it's still the action (sub-action in this context), which provokes. The other way to look at it would be what I said initially, that the Full Attack action should say "maybe", because it sometimes provokes AoO and sometimes not, depending on what kind of sub-action you take with the multiple attacks. This is not contradictory in the way you meant, just two different viewpoints, both are fully consistent with the way I read the rules; tho after putting some thought into the matter, I believe the first makes more sense, really, and then the "error" in the table I first mentioned with the Full Attack action would not be existent, so it's obviously "better" that way. But in any case... the action provokes, so there is no contradiction to that part, whatsoever. Really? Name a single one from the PHB that does, please. Havn't found one myself... The fact, that it is very close to the Attack (ranged) action. I already said, that it should state that it does provoke, it does not. Neither does it state, that it does not provoke. It is also not listed on the table of actions, which provoke, therefore it's not covered in the rules. Oh, really? So where exactly do they say, that attacking provokes an attack of opportunity and not performing an action (which lets you attack)? So, where exactly does this say anything but that actions provoke attacks or opportunity? It doesn't even say, that attacking with a ranged weapon provokes. It only says, that it is a (distracting) action. The glossary entry about attacks of opportunity also says, that you get to make one, if an action provoked it. A single action, which can be broken down into multiple actions, yes (otherwise there would be not point in listing disarm and grapple as provoking actions, because there is no Disarm or Grapple action on the same level as an Attack or Full Attack action). This alone is the reason, that it can provoke multiple AoOs. Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Warlock's Eldritch Blast?
Top