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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 3935582" data-attributes="member: 40961">I don't think celestial pacts are a good idea for the warlock class.They're probably a good idea in general, I just don't think they're a good idea for the warlock class.  It may be too far apart in theme to easily slot into the basic chassis of the warlock class.I think of character classes like a vehicle chassis.  Feats, skills, choosable abilities, those are the extras.  Sometimes its easy to modify a particular class in a particular way.  Take Fighters in 3e.  If I want to make a fighter who is palpably a good guy, I can do it.  If I want to make a fighter who gives people the creeps and is palpably a bad guy, I can do that too.But sometimes its not that easy.  Sometimes the theme of the class goes further than skin deep.  Sometimes giving a new set of options with which to customize your chassis doesn't create what you're looking for, because the underlying chassis is too specific to something you don't want.Consider most Evil Paladin classes that basically just swap the words "good" and "evil" in the core 3e paladin class.  Sure, some of them are functional.  But a lot of them would be much better if they went ahead and started fresh, and designed a class for Paladins of Evil from the ground up, with their own vision, rather than with blinders from looking at the core Paladin too long.I think that maybe adding an angelic pact option to warlocks might be that sort of mistake.  If the theme to warlocks goes as deep as I think it does, a "pact with angels" choice may be too different from what we've got so far.I'd be excited for a class that DID make pacts with angels.  I've been wanting my Magical Anime Girl class for a long, long time.  And a character who gains the ability to fly and shoot light from her hands after being blessed by an angel is EXACTLY what I'm looking for.  I just suspect that the class which is constructed in a manner similar to either the 3e Warlock, the 3e Binder, or both, won't accept that customization option well.I can't know for sure without seeing the class itself.  But a new class might be the best choice.</blockquote>

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