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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9861562" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>My point is and has always been, as I originally said, that the conclusions folks almost always draw from the experiment, and the claims people make about exactly what happened during the experiment, are almost always overblown and, generally speaking, presented in a way that is outright opposing what actually happened.</p><p></p><p>I literally have <em>no idea</em> what you're talking about with this "a charismatic player standing up as a self-proclaimed authority of something like fairness or roleplaying". Like I genuinely have <em>no idea</em> how that even remotely relates to this. </p><p></p><p>In fact, the only thing I can see which <em>would</em> relate to this is that your described situation is the exact antithesis of what the Milgram experiment examined. It would be a <em>rebellious figure</em> standing up against the person several people on this very forum allege to be the "absolute" authority on genuinely everything going on at the table, the person allegedly invested with the ability to break any rule, tell any lie, deceive the players at any time for any reason about <em>anything</em>, etc. It would be someone <em>challenging</em> authority. Which, from the section I referenced, having another person there who challenges the authority causes the number of people to go along with it to drop to <em>nearly zero</em>. As in, having even ONE person present who questions authority completely breaks the whole "powerful authority figures can throw their weight around" thing.</p><p></p><p>So...no. My point has nothing whatsoever to do with that. My point has to do with exactly what I said originally:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9861562, member: 6790260"] My point is and has always been, as I originally said, that the conclusions folks almost always draw from the experiment, and the claims people make about exactly what happened during the experiment, are almost always overblown and, generally speaking, presented in a way that is outright opposing what actually happened. I literally have [I]no idea[/I] what you're talking about with this "a charismatic player standing up as a self-proclaimed authority of something like fairness or roleplaying". Like I genuinely have [I]no idea[/I] how that even remotely relates to this. In fact, the only thing I can see which [I]would[/I] relate to this is that your described situation is the exact antithesis of what the Milgram experiment examined. It would be a [I]rebellious figure[/I] standing up against the person several people on this very forum allege to be the "absolute" authority on genuinely everything going on at the table, the person allegedly invested with the ability to break any rule, tell any lie, deceive the players at any time for any reason about [I]anything[/I], etc. It would be someone [I]challenging[/I] authority. Which, from the section I referenced, having another person there who challenges the authority causes the number of people to go along with it to drop to [I]nearly zero[/I]. As in, having even ONE person present who questions authority completely breaks the whole "powerful authority figures can throw their weight around" thing. So...no. My point has nothing whatsoever to do with that. My point has to do with exactly what I said originally: [/QUOTE]
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