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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6660780" data-attributes="member: 996">It really is. The mechanism that delivers DPR, multiple attacks, is not readily re-purposes (at least, not in a way that has any precedent among mere sub-class mechanics, the Battlemaster, for instance, adds riders to the fighter's DPR, but they're necessarily very limited, since that DPR is alreay substantial and consistent). He's not alone, I also brought the possibility up, but it is going far beyond what sub-classes normally do as far as altering the capabilities of the base class.<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?464013-Warlording-the-fighter/page7&p=6658990&viewfull=1#post6658990" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?464013-Warlording-the-fighter/page7&p=6658990&viewfull=1#post6658990</a>  The Warlord was the only new class to appear in the 4e PH1, so the only "4e class" on the table to be considered for inclusion in the 5e PH, and thus the Standard Game (which became some sort of badge of honor that zealots saw as validating their OneTrueWay).  The Warlord was the only candidate for the PH1 that was cut.  That's pretty clear validation for those who needed it -  the possibility of a warlord (that doesn't suck) appearing in a UA or necessarily optional supplemental book 2 or 5 or 10 years from now would in no way take it away.   Since fans of Warlords are, perforce, at least familiar with 4e, and the 4e fighter was not a damage machine (it was a decent secondary striker, but nothing like the 2e or 5e fighter), that seems very unlikely.  Rather, the 5e fighter is a DPR machine because it's a call back to the late-1e and 2e double-specialized, dual-wielding or archery fighters, which dealt damage out of all proportion to monster hps from low levels on.  Maybe it's not that broken, and it's certainly not tied to those two specific fighting styles, but it's clear the kind of thing they were going for, and they hit it square on.It's just a design that leaves no room for a worthy sub-class representation of the Warlord.  Some thin slice of it, perhaps, or something more closely related to the Battlemaster than to the Warlord. 5e's a very open system, design wise.  There's no reason you couldn't have a Warlord full class with multiple sub-classes, as well as, say, Fighter, Bard, Paladin, or even Rogue sub-classes that also do similar things. Afterall, having the Wizard doesn't stop us from having the Eldritch Knight or Arcane Trickster. Less.  Probably d8. Not as an at-will, core class feature, no. Weapons, probably yes.  Armor, maybe not.  Armor has played different roles in class <s>balance</s>differentiation in various editions, though.  And, it could vary by archetype. I'd like to say "All of them," but that would be an exaggeration:  The 'White Rave' stuff and the 'Hellpath' exploits from Dragon 369 could go.[sblock]Inspiring WordCommander’s StrikeLead the AttackOwn the BattlefieldGuileful SwitchStand the FallenNo Gambit Is WastedBattlefront ShiftShake It OffKnight's MoveStand ToughReorient the AxisShift the FieldRub Some Dirt On ItWolf Pack TacticsHammer and AnvilFurious SmashLeaf on the WindPin the FoeWarlord's RecoveryTactical WithdrawalTactical ShiftUnintended FeintMarked RevelationDefensive RallyHeadstrong BraveryPincer ManeuverWithdrawal GambitBravura ChargeRenew the TroopsPincer FormationAvenge MePillar to PostA Plan Comes TogetherViper’s StrikePowerful WarningFearless RescueCoordinated OffensiveLamb to the SlaughterProvocative OrderBrash AssaultLead by ExampleOpening ShovePaint the Bulls-EyeSeize the Upper HandInevitable WaveBastion of DefenseCovering ManeuverFlash of InsightAdaptive StratagemEncouraging BoostRepositioning CommandHasty AlertSpur to ActionDevastating OffensiveRoad to VictorySet the TrapFollow Me InHold the LineInspiring War CryPike HedgeArchery CommanderBrave WarriorsCreate OpportunityExemplar of ActionI've Got Your BackTurning PointVillain’s NightmareReassuring GestureLeader's IntercessionTactical SupervisionGuide the ChargeInspiring ReactionStand FastBack to BackGet Down!Forward ObserverPhalanx FormationRousing WordsTempting TargetAnchor the LineForm a LineJoin the CrowdFriendly FirePhalanx AssaultSacrificial LureWar of AttritionOn My MarkKnock Them DownBeat Them Into the GroundSound the RetreatHeroic SurgePull out the StopsHold that ThoughtRabbits and WolvesReady the ChargeTogether We SurviveSurprise AttackSurround FoeStay on TargetTeachable MomentCoordinated AssaultBlood DesignationDenying MarkDangerous LeaderCovering FireJudicious ActionInstant PlanningTactical OrdersDraw Their EyesBefuddling CryGrim MarkVentured GainsDeath from Two SidesHope's RenewalSignal the ChargeComrade in ArmsCall to ActionBand of FellowsMake Them BleedWarlord’s GambitPress on TogetherWarning ShoutHelp or HinderShare the WeightFlanking StanceSide by SideDecisive TimingWarlord’s BannerWe Will Not FailInto the Breach!Battle OnAnticipate the TargetInspiring ChargeUnleash HellDance on Their GravesBreak the TempoVictory SurgeHidden OpportunityCourageous InsightSudden AssaultSkirmisher's CommandVictorious DestinyForceful LeaderHelp Where It's NeededVigilant CommanderRelentless AssaultStir the Hornet’s NestBrutal SetupCombined Arms AssaultRaise the BarIncite HeroismDefy DeathBreak it UpVictory by DesignFlawless SnarePartners in BattleStand InvincibleVengeance is MineDestructive SurpriseOrchestrated OffensiveCalculated AssaultConcentrated AttackHammer FormationNimble FootworkCreate a TargetDirect the StrikeExpert TimingInspire ResilienceA Rock and a Hard PlaceBait the HookRousing CallDirected CombatSurging AssaultTerrain DominanceScent of VictoryInspiring ShotLeader's InstinctsPin CushionRace the ArrowRousing AssaultWarlord's FavorCunning AdjustmentHeroic Effort Inspired BelligerenceMotivated RecoveryReckless OpportunityAid the InjuredInterrupting StrikeBloody EndingFlattening ChargeBattering CommandDeadly DistractionSituational AdvantageMartial VigorEncouraging StanceInvigorating ShoutQuick StepPolearm VaultFierce ReplyThreatening PresenceWithering CourageMartial ExcitationTactician's FavorDeadly ReturnsProvoke OverextensionGeneral's GiftSudden MotivationLion's RoarAwakened WrathDisheartening FlurryIron Dragon ChargeRallying DeflectionWarlord's DenialBolstering ShoutStrider StanceEase SufferingImpromptu AttackInvitational AssaultDefensive OffenseBolstering BlowAnticipate Attack Formidable SmashGrim InstructionInfectious DeterminationWar Master's AssaultEncouraging RemarkForbidden GroundHero's DefianceForced RespectVanishing ForcesDeadly InspirationGirding StrikePincer ShotHail of SteelWarlord’s RushExhorted CounterattackWar DanceEnd to GamesLeader of the BowmenWindmill of DoomQuickening OrderBloodthirsty OffensiveRush of BattleDefensive GroundHeart of the Titan[/sblock]  Really, though, the 'iconic' ones would vary from table to table, depending on what folks played.  It's not like magic-user spells, which have been shaken out, added to, and mulled over for decades.Also, 5e is more open than other editions, so there's actually room for new/different ideas, in addition to what's already been established about the class in its first incarnation... Think about that for a moment: what do you have left?HD, proficiencies... and...?</blockquote>

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