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[Warlords] Should D&D be tied to D&D Worlds?
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<blockquote data-quote="urLordy" data-source="post: 6143976" data-attributes="member: 6747028"><p>I have a few issues with this, which are symptomatic of why I never buy into the But-there-are-warlords-in-stories-so-D&D-should-too</p><p></p><p>1) Captain America didn't have a monopoly on healing surges. If I counted all the time that superheroes gritted their teeth and got back to their feet, I'd say the grand majority of the time, it's inner strength and willpower.</p><p></p><p>2) Batmans and Wolverines and Hulks rarely need or want or ask for Captain America's pat-on-the-back (they might take advantage of his tactical advice, but that's not a hp boost)C</p><p></p><p>3) Captain America probably inspires regular soldiers one way or another, but he simply doesn't have the same affect on his equals (ie., the Avengers) -- they aren't minions.</p><p></p><p>4) There's also a lot more going for Captain America than the equivalent of "martial healing". If D&D had a Captain America, some sort inspiring word would be a minor class feature.</p><p></p><p>IOW, I think the 4E warlord pays lip service to its inspirations, and is only very loosely "based on the true story of" supposed warlords in literature and media. Once you translate a warlord-like character from a book or movie into a 4E warlord, there is so much lost in translation that one hardly resembles the other any more. Or perhaps the translation problem lies in the fact that warlord in literature/media is not really an archetype at all.</p><p></p><p>I think you've made a case against your own argument:</p><p>D&D has clerics</p><p>Fantasy literature/media don't have D&D clerics</p><p>Cleric have been popular in D&D for years</p><p></p><p>Clearly, there is no correlation between the popularity of the D&D cleric and it's permutations in non-D&D literature/media.</p><p></p><p>So if there's no real correlation, then trying to boost the popularity of the D&D warlord by referencing its permutations in non-D&D media is missing the point. And even though it seems to miss the point, proponents of warlords keep referencing non-D&D sources to convince people what they already know they don't really like.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="urLordy, post: 6143976, member: 6747028"] I have a few issues with this, which are symptomatic of why I never buy into the But-there-are-warlords-in-stories-so-D&D-should-too 1) Captain America didn't have a monopoly on healing surges. If I counted all the time that superheroes gritted their teeth and got back to their feet, I'd say the grand majority of the time, it's inner strength and willpower. 2) Batmans and Wolverines and Hulks rarely need or want or ask for Captain America's pat-on-the-back (they might take advantage of his tactical advice, but that's not a hp boost)C 3) Captain America probably inspires regular soldiers one way or another, but he simply doesn't have the same affect on his equals (ie., the Avengers) -- they aren't minions. 4) There's also a lot more going for Captain America than the equivalent of "martial healing". If D&D had a Captain America, some sort inspiring word would be a minor class feature. IOW, I think the 4E warlord pays lip service to its inspirations, and is only very loosely "based on the true story of" supposed warlords in literature and media. Once you translate a warlord-like character from a book or movie into a 4E warlord, there is so much lost in translation that one hardly resembles the other any more. Or perhaps the translation problem lies in the fact that warlord in literature/media is not really an archetype at all. I think you've made a case against your own argument: D&D has clerics Fantasy literature/media don't have D&D clerics Cleric have been popular in D&D for years Clearly, there is no correlation between the popularity of the D&D cleric and it's permutations in non-D&D literature/media. So if there's no real correlation, then trying to boost the popularity of the D&D warlord by referencing its permutations in non-D&D media is missing the point. And even though it seems to miss the point, proponents of warlords keep referencing non-D&D sources to convince people what they already know they don't really like. [/QUOTE]
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