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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cyberen" data-source="post: 6146291" data-attributes="member: 69074">[MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION], I don't want to enter a sterile non-debate with you !I was *genuinely* stating that the literary archetypes you insist to rely on as epitomizing Bravelords are, in my book, archetypal paladins.In fact, the list of literary paladins would start : 1- Roland, 2-the rest of the bunch of Charlemagne' peers, 3- Joan of Arc, 4- Galahad, 5- Lancelot (the Fallen paladin !), 6- Arthur, 7- some other Knights of the Round Table, depending on the version, 8- Aragorn (the Ranger class was made to accomodate him, but I find he's better portrayed as a paladin)... so I was *genuinely* advocating to tweak the proposed Paladin's Oath to make it compatible with those tropes. I honestly find your take on those literary tropes very alluring, but I think you are shoehorning the 4e Warlord in it (which is great when you're running 4e, not so when you're designing 5e). I am not trying to win an argument here, as some posters in this thread seem desperate to !I have been violently contradicted by [MENTION=87792]Neonchameleon[/MENTION] and others, but I still believe the difference between, say "Combat for the sake of the outcome" and "Combat for the beauty of it" don't entail the same preoccupations about balance.I do agree Battle Captains should heal, I find it uninteresting mechanically and thematically to give them *clerical* abundant, instantaneous healing. Of course, if anybody finds it interesting, he should go to town with it. But I wouldn't call the designers names because they don't agree : choices are to be made.I try to show due respect to previous editions of the game we all love and play, and also due respect to their designers.</blockquote>

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