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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Daztur" data-source="post: 6146363" data-attributes="member: 55680">Quick note about where I got the terms: it comes from an old discussion I had on a comment thread about the MMORPG game Eve in Tobold's MMORPG blog  (<a href="http://tobolds.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://tobolds.blogspot.com</a>). He said he didn't like Eve because the fights weren't fun. His complaints were that the playing field was almost never level, a lot were surprise ganks against people who couldn't fight back, that sort of thing. He said he much preferred WoW battlegrounds which was PvP with a (in theory at least) strictly level playing field so that it was more like a good sports game rather than a war. Eve fans on the other hand said that the more war-like combat in Eve was exactly why they liked it.Later I was looking through his blog and noticed some blog posts about his 4ed campaign and something clicked in my head. So Tobold thinks about RPGs in the same kind of way that a lot of these 4ed people do. Maybe there is more things in common between Tobold-think and 4ed-fan think... The sport/war thing was an attempt to explain why I didn't want to play 4ed in a way that 4ed fans could understand and agree with, something that I'd been having a real hard time with. And while a lot of 4ed fans think that the idea is BS a whole lot agree with it as well, which is better than any other attempt I've seen by anyone trying to explain why they didn't want to play 4ed in a way that 4ed fans could understand has done...But still in retrospect I probably should have used "duel" rather than "sport." Some people read into my terminology the idea that I was saying "oh those silly 4ed fans just like playing a silly nerf sport while REAL MEN like old D&D which is REAL WAR!" which wasn't my intention at all. As I said, the whole idea of calling that kind of play "sport" came from Tobold describing what he liked about WoW battlegrounds was that they were like a sports match. Still, duel would've been better, more badass parity...As far as bias, I'm obviously on the OSR side of the fence but I tried really really hard to to even-handed. Maybe I failed, but I tried my best.</blockquote>

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