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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 6146470" data-attributes="member: 6688937">I dunno. I've recently reread the books and it seems to me like there's a bunch of subtle magic going on. (D&amp;D doesn't model this very well, either.) I certainly don't interpret the Theoden episode as restoring HP (or at least not simply that.) Something a lot bigger and mystical than &quot;regaining some HP&quot; is going on there. More broadly, I do not read many of these supposed Warlord exemplars as functioning the way the 4e class did. A lot of &quot;I see X, Y, and Z as Warlords&quot; seem pretty stretched to me. I don't ever recall hearing pre-4e complaints about the failure of the game to model these characters (at least in any way that would pre-sage 4e Warlords).On the other hand....that hardly makes the 4e Warlord unique for D&amp;D classes. I mean, jeez, its not like Gandalf acts like a D&amp;D Wizard....or any other class I can think of. The only class that correlates well with its fictional counterparts (IMO) is the Ranger, oft-derided as &quot;the Aragorn&quot;. (I suppose a case might be made for some of the racial classes back in the day, as well.)To bring it back to the original question of the OP...I think the answer is &quot;Yes, D&amp;D is tied to D&amp;D worlds because it generally does such a lousy job of modeling any other fiction. Warlords may help, but not nearly enough.&quot; If matching a particular genre-source is one of your goals...D&amp;D would be one of the last systems I would direct you to.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 6146470, member: 6688937"] I dunno. I've recently reread the books and it seems to me like there's a bunch of subtle magic going on. (D&D doesn't model this very well, either.) I certainly don't interpret the Theoden episode as restoring HP (or at least not simply that.) Something a lot bigger and mystical than "regaining some HP" is going on there. More broadly, I do not read many of these supposed Warlord exemplars as functioning the way the 4e class did. A lot of "I see X, Y, and Z as Warlords" seem pretty stretched to me. I don't ever recall hearing pre-4e complaints about the failure of the game to model these characters (at least in any way that would pre-sage 4e Warlords). On the other hand....that hardly makes the 4e Warlord unique for D&D classes. I mean, jeez, its not like Gandalf acts like a [I]D&D[/I] Wizard....or any other class I can think of. The only class that correlates well with its fictional counterparts (IMO) is the Ranger, oft-derided as "the Aragorn". (I suppose a case might be made for some of the racial classes back in the day, as well.) To bring it back to the original question of the OP...I think the answer is "Yes, D&D is tied to D&D worlds because it generally does such a lousy job of modeling any other fiction. Warlords may help, but not nearly enough." If matching a particular genre-source is one of your goals...D&D would be one of the [I]last[/I] systems I would direct you to. [/QUOTE]

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