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[Warlords] Should D&D be tied to D&D Worlds?
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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6147980" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>Not if your warlord player decides that the <em>only</em> abilities he's taking are two specific ones each level (like Bless and Healing Word) that he will use to recreate a warlord. So there's no list to select from... those are it as far as he's concerned.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Bless, Healing Word, Aid, and Mass Healing Word do not require material components, and as far as verbal and somatic components... the warlord needs to use those himself (since he needs to direct and inspire his allies.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Saving throws are not required, and the DM handwaves away using Detect or Dispel Magic on a "warlord's" Bless or Aid, and in exchange, the warlord can't use a Pearl of Power.</p><p></p><p>My whole point is this: You <em>can</em> create a reasonable facsimile of a warlord if you need to. Manbearcat and others have done similar work elsewhere. Now yes... I know that what your point and Neonchameleon's point is that you <em>shouldn't have</em> to create a reasonable facsimile and that the game should just include it.</p><p></p><p>But in the end <em>if it doesn't</em>... then what are your options? Either not play the game at all (which you are well within your right), or yes, use a reasonable facsimile. And if you go that route... you and your DM handshaking on the social contract to gloss over or exchange bonuses/penalties on a few of the small bumps like Dispel Magic to eliminate any vestiges of "magic" from the couple of cleric levels you take on your fighter seems like an easy way to go about it.</p><p></p><p>I know you don't WANT to have to do that... and all of the threads here on ENWorld are all of your attempts to convince WotC that they SHOULDN'T have to have you do it... but if the chips fall a certain way, we're just pointing out that you CAN do it.</p><p></p><p>And it's the <em>exact</em> same sort of thing us 4E players were telling the 4E-haters about stuff like "feat taxes" or "refluffing rangers" or "healing surges" and the like. You CAN work around those issues. It's possible. And if we 4Eers expected the 3.5ers to do it... it behooves us to look upon it the same way as the D&DNers are asking the same of us.</p><p></p><p>Fair is fair. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6147980, member: 7006"] Not if your warlord player decides that the [I]only[/I] abilities he's taking are two specific ones each level (like Bless and Healing Word) that he will use to recreate a warlord. So there's no list to select from... those are it as far as he's concerned. Bless, Healing Word, Aid, and Mass Healing Word do not require material components, and as far as verbal and somatic components... the warlord needs to use those himself (since he needs to direct and inspire his allies.) Saving throws are not required, and the DM handwaves away using Detect or Dispel Magic on a "warlord's" Bless or Aid, and in exchange, the warlord can't use a Pearl of Power. My whole point is this: You [I]can[/I] create a reasonable facsimile of a warlord if you need to. Manbearcat and others have done similar work elsewhere. Now yes... I know that what your point and Neonchameleon's point is that you [I]shouldn't have[/I] to create a reasonable facsimile and that the game should just include it. But in the end [I]if it doesn't[/I]... then what are your options? Either not play the game at all (which you are well within your right), or yes, use a reasonable facsimile. And if you go that route... you and your DM handshaking on the social contract to gloss over or exchange bonuses/penalties on a few of the small bumps like Dispel Magic to eliminate any vestiges of "magic" from the couple of cleric levels you take on your fighter seems like an easy way to go about it. I know you don't WANT to have to do that... and all of the threads here on ENWorld are all of your attempts to convince WotC that they SHOULDN'T have to have you do it... but if the chips fall a certain way, we're just pointing out that you CAN do it. And it's the [I]exact[/I] same sort of thing us 4E players were telling the 4E-haters about stuff like "feat taxes" or "refluffing rangers" or "healing surges" and the like. You CAN work around those issues. It's possible. And if we 4Eers expected the 3.5ers to do it... it behooves us to look upon it the same way as the D&DNers are asking the same of us. Fair is fair. :) [/QUOTE]
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