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<blockquote data-quote="smetzger" data-source="post: 1093670" data-attributes="member: 1230">Ok,&nbsp; So how much do ranks cost for humanoids warriors with 1 HD for skills that are on the humanoids skill list but not on the warriors skill list?For example the Hobgoblin has Hide, Listen, Move Silently, and Spot as class skills.&nbsp; None of these are class skills for a Warrior.&nbsp; Since Hobgoblins are 1 HD, they lose their 'racial' skill points and then get skill points for the character class, warrior.So, by my reckoning they have to buy Hide, Listen, Move Silently, and Spot as cross class.&nbsp; But since their class skills for a Hobgoblin, the max rank is calculated as a class skill.Is that correct or did I miss something?BTW the skills are messed up for the Hobgoblin warrior in the SRD.Hide +3&nbsp; = -1 armor + 1 Dex + 3 ranksListen +2 = -1 Wis + 3 ranksMove Silently +3 = -1 armor +1 Dex + 3 ranks? + 4 racial?Spot +2 = -1 Wis + 3 ranksEven if they can spend these as class skills and if they didn't put any ranks in Move Silently they would then have spent 9 skill points.&nbsp; But since they have a 10 Int, a 1st level warrior only gets 8 skill points.Confused,*:&gt; Scott</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smetzger, post: 1093670, member: 1230"] Ok, So how much do ranks cost for humanoids warriors with 1 HD for skills that are on the humanoids skill list but not on the warriors skill list? For example the Hobgoblin has Hide, Listen, Move Silently, and Spot as class skills. None of these are class skills for a Warrior. Since Hobgoblins are 1 HD, they lose their 'racial' skill points and then get skill points for the character class, warrior. So, by my reckoning they have to buy Hide, Listen, Move Silently, and Spot as cross class. But since their class skills for a Hobgoblin, the max rank is calculated as a class skill. Is that correct or did I miss something? BTW the skills are messed up for the Hobgoblin warrior in the SRD. Hide +3 = -1 armor + 1 Dex + 3 ranks Listen +2 = -1 Wis + 3 ranks Move Silently +3 = -1 armor +1 Dex + 3 ranks? + 4 racial? Spot +2 = -1 Wis + 3 ranks Even if they can spend these as class skills and if they didn't put any ranks in Move Silently they would then have spent 9 skill points. But since they have a 10 Int, a 1st level warrior only gets 8 skill points. Confused, *:> Scott [/QUOTE]

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