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Warrior-Mage Prestige Classes: which are viable & which are not
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<blockquote data-quote="StGabe" data-source="post: 3392885" data-attributes="member: 49275"><p>I would say that you are exactly wrong -- that it achieves the same result in a far less sloppy and more consistent way. The levels of wizard and fighter are both balanced to be roughly equivalent. The issue is that these PrC's are in no way balanced on a level-per-level basis versus other classes. Just think about if these were base classes. Broken much?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And the other side of the coin is that they have some truly very powerful spells. Just the BAB bonus penalty alone is made up for almost instantly by the fact that they will have Bull's Strength running whenever they can (and Cat's Grace, etc. if they can prepare for a really hard finght). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly the problem. The fighter has to spend a significant part of his wealth allotment to use these buffs with anything at all like the frequency with which he can just cast them if he takes some levels of Wizard. With a decent int he can cast the equivalent of a few thousand gold worth of spells per day.</p><p></p><p>Is it broken good? No. Is it still powerful and viable? Yes. Is it balanced far more consistently than and less sloppily than these Prestige Classes? Absolutely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You will be exactly 3 BAB behind a warrior of the same level. That's not that soft. That is a better BAB than a rogue, cleric or monk of the same level. And you have access to 7th level arcane spells (in this regard you are only 1 level behind a sorceror). </p><p></p><p>I think your expectations here are just way out of scope.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One simple way to go with this template essentially creates an incredibly powerful archer/wizard that will be able to cast level 9 spells eventually (if they continue an arcane progression) and will still have enough feats hanging around to throw around arrows almost as well as a ranger or fighter of the same level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StGabe, post: 3392885, member: 49275"] I would say that you are exactly wrong -- that it achieves the same result in a far less sloppy and more consistent way. The levels of wizard and fighter are both balanced to be roughly equivalent. The issue is that these PrC's are in no way balanced on a level-per-level basis versus other classes. Just think about if these were base classes. Broken much? And the other side of the coin is that they have some truly very powerful spells. Just the BAB bonus penalty alone is made up for almost instantly by the fact that they will have Bull's Strength running whenever they can (and Cat's Grace, etc. if they can prepare for a really hard finght). Exactly the problem. The fighter has to spend a significant part of his wealth allotment to use these buffs with anything at all like the frequency with which he can just cast them if he takes some levels of Wizard. With a decent int he can cast the equivalent of a few thousand gold worth of spells per day. Is it broken good? No. Is it still powerful and viable? Yes. Is it balanced far more consistently than and less sloppily than these Prestige Classes? Absolutely. You will be exactly 3 BAB behind a warrior of the same level. That's not that soft. That is a better BAB than a rogue, cleric or monk of the same level. And you have access to 7th level arcane spells (in this regard you are only 1 level behind a sorceror). I think your expectations here are just way out of scope. One simple way to go with this template essentially creates an incredibly powerful archer/wizard that will be able to cast level 9 spells eventually (if they continue an arcane progression) and will still have enough feats hanging around to throw around arrows almost as well as a ranger or fighter of the same level. [/QUOTE]
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