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Warrior-Mage Prestige Classes: which are viable & which are not
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<blockquote data-quote="charlesatan" data-source="post: 3398922" data-attributes="member: 20870"><p>My take on the Dragon Disciple is that it's more of a warrior class than dabbled in magic or a magic class that dabbles in fighting (at least at epic levels).</p><p></p><p>I mean at epic levels, I could be Sorcerer 20/Dragon Disciple 10 and still have access to the same level of spells albeit a bit tougher for it (in addition to the fact that I have more spell slots).</p><p></p><p>At pre-epic levels, this is more of a warrior class however and you don't want to take more than a few levels of classes that don't give you Ftr BAB because you lose out on your 4th attack. An example build is Sorcerer 2/Barbarian 4/Abjurant Champion 4/Dragon Disciple 10. I have +16/+11/+6/+1 BAB and access to 3rd-level spells (and lots of 3rd-level spell slots).</p><p></p><p>It works quite well though with gish base classes such as Hexblade and Duskblade. They could use the stat boosts and they'll still do fine in the BAB arena.</p><p></p><p>Another variant I've seen is apply the bonus spells to a non-arcane class. For example, a Sorcerer 1/Paladin 9/Dragon Disciple build and apply the bonus spells to the Paladin spells per day (since the bonus spells in the Dragon Disciple doesn't mention by RAW that it needs to go to the arcane spellcasting class).</p><p></p><p>Design-wise, Dragon Disciple is an interesting concept because unlike most prestige classes, it follows a delayed gratification principle. The later you take it, the better you are. For example, a Warmage 2/Barbarian 4 could qualify for Dragon Disciple but he'd get more bang for his buck if he took it at 10th-level, where I presume he'll be taking more Warmage levels by then thus giving him access to higher spell slots. (Of course this model only works if you're interested in actually using our spellcasting levels -- a Sorcerer 1/Barbarian 5 is just as eager to get it as a Sorcerer 1/Barbarian 9.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="charlesatan, post: 3398922, member: 20870"] My take on the Dragon Disciple is that it's more of a warrior class than dabbled in magic or a magic class that dabbles in fighting (at least at epic levels). I mean at epic levels, I could be Sorcerer 20/Dragon Disciple 10 and still have access to the same level of spells albeit a bit tougher for it (in addition to the fact that I have more spell slots). At pre-epic levels, this is more of a warrior class however and you don't want to take more than a few levels of classes that don't give you Ftr BAB because you lose out on your 4th attack. An example build is Sorcerer 2/Barbarian 4/Abjurant Champion 4/Dragon Disciple 10. I have +16/+11/+6/+1 BAB and access to 3rd-level spells (and lots of 3rd-level spell slots). It works quite well though with gish base classes such as Hexblade and Duskblade. They could use the stat boosts and they'll still do fine in the BAB arena. Another variant I've seen is apply the bonus spells to a non-arcane class. For example, a Sorcerer 1/Paladin 9/Dragon Disciple build and apply the bonus spells to the Paladin spells per day (since the bonus spells in the Dragon Disciple doesn't mention by RAW that it needs to go to the arcane spellcasting class). Design-wise, Dragon Disciple is an interesting concept because unlike most prestige classes, it follows a delayed gratification principle. The later you take it, the better you are. For example, a Warmage 2/Barbarian 4 could qualify for Dragon Disciple but he'd get more bang for his buck if he took it at 10th-level, where I presume he'll be taking more Warmage levels by then thus giving him access to higher spell slots. (Of course this model only works if you're interested in actually using our spellcasting levels -- a Sorcerer 1/Barbarian 5 is just as eager to get it as a Sorcerer 1/Barbarian 9.) [/QUOTE]
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