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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 3865231" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>At its core, the game system is just that....a system. And all systems are abstractions of reality, and as such, are flawed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I learned this lesson well in school. Take a quick lesson from astronomy. I'm sure many people have heard about Gallileo and the Earth-centric vs Sun-centric theory of the solar system.</p><p></p><p>People are taught that the sun-centric theory was proven "true" and the earth-centric one "false", but that's not really the case.</p><p></p><p>What happened was there were certain events in the solar system that required a LOT of complicated math by the earth-centric theorists to explain correctly. But they did explain them. Its not like earth-centric people lived in some kind of cosmic blackhole of ignorance. Their equations did the job they needed them to do.</p><p></p><p>However, along comes sun-centric, and suddenly equations that took blackboards on top of blackboards to complete could now be done in a few lines. The model was cleaner and smoother, so eventually it was chosen as a better tool for the solar system, not because it was truely more "correct" but it was more "convenient". Keep in mind, the original solar-centric theory wasn't perfect, it had plenty of problems of its own. But these were less severe than the earth-centric ones.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Dnd is the same. 3e is a fine system, but we all know there are a few cases with those blackboards full of headaches it causes. However, we've all gamed with it for years so its obviously done its job. However, if 4e provides a cleaner, better way of providing this enjoyment, then its a good next step and we should adopt it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 3865231, member: 5889"] At its core, the game system is just that....a system. And all systems are abstractions of reality, and as such, are flawed. I learned this lesson well in school. Take a quick lesson from astronomy. I'm sure many people have heard about Gallileo and the Earth-centric vs Sun-centric theory of the solar system. People are taught that the sun-centric theory was proven "true" and the earth-centric one "false", but that's not really the case. What happened was there were certain events in the solar system that required a LOT of complicated math by the earth-centric theorists to explain correctly. But they did explain them. Its not like earth-centric people lived in some kind of cosmic blackhole of ignorance. Their equations did the job they needed them to do. However, along comes sun-centric, and suddenly equations that took blackboards on top of blackboards to complete could now be done in a few lines. The model was cleaner and smoother, so eventually it was chosen as a better tool for the solar system, not because it was truely more "correct" but it was more "convenient". Keep in mind, the original solar-centric theory wasn't perfect, it had plenty of problems of its own. But these were less severe than the earth-centric ones. Dnd is the same. 3e is a fine system, but we all know there are a few cases with those blackboards full of headaches it causes. However, we've all gamed with it for years so its obviously done its job. However, if 4e provides a cleaner, better way of providing this enjoyment, then its a good next step and we should adopt it. [/QUOTE]
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