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<blockquote data-quote="Samnell" data-source="post: 3868601" data-attributes="member: 130"><p>They could have done that, sure. They could have created a single-stat game. You add this stat to a d20 roll. If you beat the other guy's d20 roll (plus his one stat) you win. But all simplicity comes at the cost of options. Options are complexity and complexity is options. If you want customization, then you'll get the complexity that comes with it. If you can do with less, you can have a simpler, lighter, faster game. I'll believe WotC created a system with more options and less complexity when they unveil their giant laser built on the moon.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Drudge work is entirely subjective. I really, really hate rules-light systems. I'd rather not play than play rules-light. I can't think of a worse kind of gaming drudgery. Not every system is right for every person. 4e obviously is not going to be right for me. 3.5 isn't right for you. That's fine. I didn't claim that we have identical gaming tastes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What takes fifty minutes? I've applied extremely fiddly templates in half the time. The speed at which one creates characters or NPCs of equivalent complexity is a function of system familiarity.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe if you've made some kind of mistake you have to go back under the hood, but a D&D game isn't your hair. It doesn't need to be washed daily. What makes you go back under the hood? I really doubt that 4e is going to eliminate human error, so you can't be complaining about that. What drives you back under the hood?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Samnell, post: 3868601, member: 130"] They could have done that, sure. They could have created a single-stat game. You add this stat to a d20 roll. If you beat the other guy's d20 roll (plus his one stat) you win. But all simplicity comes at the cost of options. Options are complexity and complexity is options. If you want customization, then you'll get the complexity that comes with it. If you can do with less, you can have a simpler, lighter, faster game. I'll believe WotC created a system with more options and less complexity when they unveil their giant laser built on the moon. Drudge work is entirely subjective. I really, really hate rules-light systems. I'd rather not play than play rules-light. I can't think of a worse kind of gaming drudgery. Not every system is right for every person. 4e obviously is not going to be right for me. 3.5 isn't right for you. That's fine. I didn't claim that we have identical gaming tastes. What takes fifty minutes? I've applied extremely fiddly templates in half the time. The speed at which one creates characters or NPCs of equivalent complexity is a function of system familiarity. Maybe if you've made some kind of mistake you have to go back under the hood, but a D&D game isn't your hair. It doesn't need to be washed daily. What makes you go back under the hood? I really doubt that 4e is going to eliminate human error, so you can't be complaining about that. What drives you back under the hood? [/QUOTE]
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