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<blockquote data-quote="Anthtriel" data-source="post: 3869125" data-attributes="member: 13764">Except that characters (especially in 4E) are not just doing it for the first day, but for years. Rich Baker remarked that a Warlock/Wizard is different depending on what class he started with, that implies that much like in Saga, the class you start with is effectively your background, which shows off what you did the first 17-23 years of your life. That's quite different from your &quot;first day&quot;.In your example, that would mean you have one guy who spent all his life playing basketball, and one guy who spent all his life playing soccer, with both playing each other's sport from time to time. The soccer player would lose most of the time in basketball against the other guy and vice versa.When they turn 17, both are considered level 1, and are already quite proficient in their speciality. As both become more athethlic, they become better in both areas. And though they spend more time with their speciality, they are already quite good in their speciality, so progress takes longer than in the area they are relatively weak at.So during all their life, the effective distance between them at both sports probably stays about the same.Skill, especially in physical activities, doesn't really grow linearily; there are certainly diminished returns. So a level 15 fighter will have to put in a lot of time to get even better in fighting, whereas a rogue doesn't put in as much time, but doesn't need as much time either, so the effective difference between always stays roughly the same.And that is a strictly simulationist argument. The whole &quot;leveling up&quot; thing doesn't make much sense to begin with, so even if there were a minor conflict, it wouldn't matter much to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anthtriel, post: 3869125, member: 13764"] Except that characters (especially in 4E) are not just doing it for the first day, but for years. Rich Baker remarked that a Warlock/Wizard is different depending on what class he started with, that implies that much like in Saga, the class you start with is effectively your background, which shows off what you did the first 17-23 years of your life. That's quite different from your "first day". In your example, that would mean you have one guy who spent all his life playing basketball, and one guy who spent all his life playing soccer, with both playing each other's sport from time to time. The soccer player would lose most of the time in basketball against the other guy and vice versa. When they turn 17, both are considered level 1, and are already quite proficient in their speciality. As both become more athethlic, they become better in both areas. And though they spend more time with their speciality, they are already quite good in their speciality, so progress takes longer than in the area they are relatively weak at. So during all their life, the effective distance between them at both sports probably stays about the same. Skill, especially in physical activities, doesn't really grow linearily; there are certainly diminished returns. So a level 15 fighter will have to put in a lot of time to get even better in fighting, whereas a rogue doesn't put in as much time, but doesn't need as much time either, so the effective difference between always stays roughly the same. And that is a strictly simulationist argument. The whole "leveling up" thing doesn't make much sense to begin with, so even if there were a minor conflict, it wouldn't matter much to me. [/QUOTE]

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