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<blockquote data-quote="Bacris" data-source="post: 3869295" data-attributes="member: 42502">There's a very big difference between wondering how something works and it never working consistently.Personally, I like that the players know the rules.&nbsp; My DMs ask me how something works, rather than ad hoc it, because they want to be consistent in how the game works.&nbsp; If they want a certain NPC to use different rules, they use different rules, but what you're describing is much closer to 1st / 2nd Ed, where so much was left undocumented that the DM had to make ad hoc or house rules for everything - and that not only meant DMs had to figure out a lot more on the fly, but also that gaming experience from group to group was grossly different, even if using the same game system.Personally, I hope they keep the 3E style of documenting how situations work, but streamline them.My character may not realize that to do a Grapple attack, he first provokes an attack of opportunity, then has to make a touch attack, then has to win an opposed check, but I do and my DM does, so it's not always a rules mystery that can then lead to annoyance when one DM does it some way that helps the player and another DM does it in a way that helps the monster - either because of intentional or unintentional rules bias.&nbsp; I like that it's standardized.&nbsp; Now I can worry about the mysteries of the plot, not the mysteries of what this DM is going to rule when my character tries to lock wrists with the BBEG.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bacris, post: 3869295, member: 42502"] There's a very big difference between wondering how something works and it never working consistently. Personally, I like that the players know the rules. My DMs ask me how something works, rather than ad hoc it, because they want to be consistent in how the game works. If they want a certain NPC to use different rules, they use different rules, but what you're describing is much closer to 1st / 2nd Ed, where so much was left undocumented that the DM had to make ad hoc or house rules for everything - and that not only meant DMs had to figure out a lot more on the fly, but also that gaming experience from group to group was grossly different, even if using the same game system. Personally, I hope they keep the 3E style of documenting how situations work, but streamline them. My character may not realize that to do a Grapple attack, he first provokes an attack of opportunity, then has to make a touch attack, then has to win an opposed check, but I do and my DM does, so it's not always a rules mystery that can then lead to annoyance when one DM does it some way that helps the player and another DM does it in a way that helps the monster - either because of intentional or unintentional rules bias. I like that it's standardized. Now I can worry about the mysteries of the plot, not the mysteries of what this DM is going to rule when my character tries to lock wrists with the BBEG. [/QUOTE]

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