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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5031492" data-attributes="member: 4892">I guess I was more puzzled over the inherent mapping activity in 1E. I agree witht the above.The only action the players could take in WGR1 to avoid random encounters was to not travel back and forth between the City of Greyhawk and the ruins. What I meant was that players who take reasonable precautions to avoid bandits in the original module still have a 1 in 6 chance, rolled 3 times, of encountering bandits each time they approach or leave the ruins.So you never roll skill checks? Of course you do. And the Skill Challenge setup, if used in an interesting way, will seem just as organic as the skill rolls called for without them while also rewarding your players for completing a non-combat challenge.Point taken. I did use those quite often back in 1E. My point still stands that folding traps into combat statistics in 4E has some logical basis.Nothing keeps them from being engaged without a skill challenge. Your premise is that skill challenges are useless. I've given reasons why I disagree with that. Do I think everyone should use skill challenges? No. Dismiss them if you want, but I've found some interesting ways to incorporate them in my game and I will continue to share those ideas on these boards.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5031492, member: 4892"] I guess I was more puzzled over the inherent mapping activity in 1E. I agree witht the above. The only action the players could take in WGR1 to avoid random encounters was to not travel back and forth between the City of Greyhawk and the ruins. What I meant was that players who take reasonable precautions to avoid bandits in the original module still have a 1 in 6 chance, rolled 3 times, of encountering bandits each time they approach or leave the ruins. So you never roll skill checks? Of course you do. And the Skill Challenge setup, if used in an interesting way, will seem just as organic as the skill rolls called for without them while also rewarding your players for completing a non-combat challenge. Point taken. I did use those quite often back in 1E. My point still stands that folding traps into combat statistics in 4E has some logical basis. Nothing keeps them from being engaged without a skill challenge. Your premise is that skill challenges are useless. I've given reasons why I disagree with that. Do I think everyone should use skill challenges? No. Dismiss them if you want, but I've found some interesting ways to incorporate them in my game and I will continue to share those ideas on these boards. [/QUOTE]

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