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<blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 5035379" data-attributes="member: 80487">See, there's the problem with skill challenges in 4e: The plan determines nothing. It's just post-facto &quot;narration&quot;, explicitly not meant to be any more than an excuse to let a skill play a part in the challenge. At best, it's a plausible rationale for whatever the dice dictate.If you really want to test players' ingenuity at solving a problem, then -- I know this is a really wild idea! -- let them actually solve the problem.Just play it out like anything else: Here's what you perceive; what will you do? Adjudicate on the basis of the particular circumstances.The reason to mess with that straightforward process is definitely not to get the same result -- because the process is the key result!Huh?? Wrong.I have tried to convince you that how much you happen to like 4e &quot;skill challenges&quot; has nothing to do with whether AD&amp;D1 was designed for game balance. How much you happen to like 4e &quot;skill challenges&quot; is not the topic of this thread.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ariosto, post: 5035379, member: 80487"] See, there's the problem with skill challenges in 4e: [B]The plan[/B] determines nothing. It's just post-facto "narration", explicitly not meant to be any more than an excuse to let a skill play a part in the challenge. At best, it's a plausible rationale for whatever the dice dictate. If you really want to test players' ingenuity at solving a problem, then -- I know this is a really wild idea! -- let them [B]actually solve the problem[/B]. Just play it out like anything else: Here's what you perceive; what will you do? Adjudicate on the basis of the particular circumstances. The reason to mess with that straightforward process is definitely not to get the same result -- because the process [B]is[/B] the key result! Huh?? Wrong. I have tried to convince you that how much you happen to like 4e "skill challenges" [B]has nothing to do with whether AD&D1 was designed for game balance[/B]. How much you happen to like 4e "skill challenges" is [I]not the topic of this thread[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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