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Was AD&D1 designed for game balance?
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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5041928" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>And I have shown the problems with this as "evidence"....sufficiently well, I think, for the average person. To be a bit clearer:</p><p></p><p>(1) The quantity of playtesters does not evidence either the amount of playtesting done, nor the quality of playtesting done.</p><p></p><p>(2) Evidence that cannot be checked, produced by a person or entity that has reason to cause you to draw a specific conclusion, fails the standard of evidence. I would have thought that the tobacco companies taught us all this long ago.</p><p></p><p>(3) We do not know what qualifies as being a "playtester" in either 1e or 4e. If someone gains a credit in 4e for playtesting, said playtesting being of a type or quantity which would not grant a credit in 1e, the size of the list itself provides no evidence as to who would be on either list if the same criteria were applied. In neither case do we know what criteria were applied.</p><p></p><p>[qote]Also note that you have declined to produce any evidence to support the opposing side of the argument.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>I do not need to provide evidence to reach the conclusion, "Not proven". No one does. For instance, were you to say, "It is not proven that 1e were designed for game balance" you would not need to provide evidence.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(1) It doesn't matter what the acronym means. I can write a 1-page game, X, and list 999 pages of playtesters with (relative) ease. Such a list, produced by the person producing the game, has no meaning in and of itself. </p><p></p><p>What X is has no bearing on whether or not this is true.</p><p></p><p>(2) It doesn't shut down the argument; it merely demonstrates that a line of reasoning is false.</p><p></p><p>(3) Look at my .sig.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: I had to drive my partner & her brother to the mall between writing & posting. I see you are now aware of what RCFG means. If you will follow the link, I think you will see that there is a lot of 3e and 4e inspiration.....If I thought 1e was perfect, that's what I'd be playing!</p><p></p><p></p><p>RC</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5041928, member: 18280"] And I have shown the problems with this as "evidence"....sufficiently well, I think, for the average person. To be a bit clearer: (1) The quantity of playtesters does not evidence either the amount of playtesting done, nor the quality of playtesting done. (2) Evidence that cannot be checked, produced by a person or entity that has reason to cause you to draw a specific conclusion, fails the standard of evidence. I would have thought that the tobacco companies taught us all this long ago. (3) We do not know what qualifies as being a "playtester" in either 1e or 4e. If someone gains a credit in 4e for playtesting, said playtesting being of a type or quantity which would not grant a credit in 1e, the size of the list itself provides no evidence as to who would be on either list if the same criteria were applied. In neither case do we know what criteria were applied. [qote]Also note that you have declined to produce any evidence to support the opposing side of the argument.[/quote] I do not need to provide evidence to reach the conclusion, "Not proven". No one does. For instance, were you to say, "It is not proven that 1e were designed for game balance" you would not need to provide evidence. (1) It doesn't matter what the acronym means. I can write a 1-page game, X, and list 999 pages of playtesters with (relative) ease. Such a list, produced by the person producing the game, has no meaning in and of itself. What X is has no bearing on whether or not this is true. (2) It doesn't shut down the argument; it merely demonstrates that a line of reasoning is false. (3) Look at my .sig. EDIT: I had to drive my partner & her brother to the mall between writing & posting. I see you are now aware of what RCFG means. If you will follow the link, I think you will see that there is a lot of 3e and 4e inspiration.....If I thought 1e was perfect, that's what I'd be playing! RC [/QUOTE]
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