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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hairfoot" data-source="post: 5049457" data-attributes="member: 23732">I really don't know what to say to that.  Have you ever met a DM so retarded they would allow such silliness?  The cult of literalist rules obedience is a matter for another thread, but getting XP for coins found in the street isn't a serious consideration in this discussion.That sounds like a cool scenario.  What proportion of the adventure was resolved through combat, and what incentive did the PCs have to avoid fights and find other ways around problems?Remember, this isn't an edition war.  The thread is about 1e, and this segment of it is about the value of awarding XP for treasure.4e isn't a universal or perfect system.  It can't provide every type of game to every type of player, and you don't need to defend it as though it can.Conan?  The Conan?  Can I ask how much Conan you've read?He never killed without reason, but he was a completely amoral thief.  And that's rather the point: killing has greater consequences - physical and real - than stealing, and XP for gold encourages players to weigh up the value of hacking through foes versus using cunning to secure goals.That's a misconception of the philosophy behind early D&D character generation.These days, of course, you write up a 3-page background of your fighter, about how he's a dispossessed demon prince seeking the magical sword of his father to challenge the gods, rah, rah, rah.  Then you go and build that  character with the justified expectation that he'll have a decent shot at living out the story you've planned for him.When 1e was written, you rolled up your character, looked at his/her abilities, then decided who that person is.  Most members of a party are normal, if talented, people, and if, through sheer luck, they happen to have a paladin, then he is an awesome addition to their power that they are grateful for.1e wasn't modelled for parties of superhumans in an epic saga, but for bands of brave mortals taking their chances with fate.</blockquote>

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