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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5060055" data-attributes="member: 22779">Actually, no.  That you, as the DM, can balance the system is irrelevant to the conversation.  It doesn't change things in the slightest.  A system can be designed for balance and the DM can screw it up and unbalance it.  Does that mean the system is no longer designed for balance?  Of course not.  It means the DM did something to unbalance the system.Conversely, a system can be designed without balance as a consideration, yet the DM can achieve balance, probably through experience and trial and error.Are there elements of balance in the AD&D system?  Sure.  I won't deny that.  But, was it designed for balance?  IMO, no it wasn't.  I cannot see how a system can be designed for balance when it gives you unbalanced results, the designer(s) KNOW it gives you unbalanced results, the designer(s) WARN the players that it will give unbalanced results and cannot provide examples of balanced results.For some reason, no one seems to want to touch this.  The systems TELLS you that it will give you unbalanced results.  How can you consider the system to be designed for balance?That you can achieve balance is irrelevant.--------------A later thought occurs.  I would like to say that I had a blast playing 1e D&D.  The implication of RC's post is that I'm some huge hater of 1e and all things AD&D.  That is totally not true.  I liked 1e and I liked 2e.  Between the two of them I certainly played enough hours of them, both behind the screen and in front.  So, I would certainly include myself in the group that enjoyed 1e D&D.  However, that does not blind me to looking at what I see as facts.  I've been very, very careful throughout this to not voice any value judgement, good or bad, on the balance in 1e.  What I happen to think of the balance is not germane to this discussion.  To me, the facts speak for themselves.  Gygax can make all the claims he wants in the books, but, the mechanics speak much louder.  The mechanics are, for the most part, imbalanced.  Using these mechanics will give me unbalanced results.  And, most telling, there is no example given of what actually consitutes a balanced result.</blockquote>

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