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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khisanth the Ancient" data-source="post: 7696652" data-attributes="member: 11368">I believe at least some of that was done by Christopher Tolkien when he created the published Silmarillion (from material spanning about 50 years of evolution in Tolkien's mind - for example the Fall of Gondolin was never re-written after the Book of Lost Tales in 1918 or so).Trolls were originally from the Hobbit [which was not originally planned as part of the same world as the Silmarillion material] and brought into the same world with LOTR. But I don't think JRRT himself went back and put the trolls into the Silm. material. [Which is probably why there is no Silm. origin story for them unlike the Ents & Eagles, Dragons etc.]Oh - definitely. I don't personally think the '3 or at most 7' bit is definitive, but I figured I had to bring it up.That sounds about right - them existing in thousands doesn't work if they are all as powerful as the Moria Balrog, but I think to avoid changes in the First Age stories you need at least a dozen at the beginning, especially since some get killed off in the War of the Powers before Elves even enter the picture.Yeah, the "Myths Transformed" stuff published in Morgoth's Ring. He can't, but I don't think his different forms are separate entities to the degree that they 'die' as such. In the Silmarillion he quickly shapeshifts between different forms.At the Fall of Numenor he lost the ability to assume an attractive form, hiding his evil nature -- even with the Ring.Hmm, yeah, I think I'd agree with that. Sauron might be (in 5E terms) maybe CR 22 without the Ring but CR 30 with it.In the OD&D scale used by the original article where 9th-10th is 'name level' I'd say maybe 15th level without, 20th with.</blockquote>

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