Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Was Gandalf Just A 5th Level Magic User?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 7696858" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Because it is a fantasy novel? That is nonsense. You might as well assert that Middle Earth steel is like one of our marshmallows and their fire would not burn us because real world information we have on metal and fire has little bearing on how it works there.</p><p></p><p>No. All fiction has its basis in reality and branches out from there. How much so depends on the unreality of the fiction in question. The less familiar the basic rules of the fiction's setting, the less accessible it will be. But JRRT's world works much as ours does- steel is hard; fire is hot.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying otherwise. I'm asserting that there is no evidence in the novels that weapons of <strong>that</strong> power approach anything like the ubiquity you're claiming.</p><p></p><p>In fact, the very rarity of such weapons even within the Company of the Ring would argue <em>against</em> there being anything approaching a large number of such weapons in the world. Given the dire situation and the stature of the individuals in it, the Company would have probably had their pick of gear available. They'd be the denizens of Middle Earth most likely to be kitted out like a D&D party. Not just as a matter of pride for those behind them, but also to ensure the mission's success.</p><p></p><p>If there really were huge numbers of magical weapons stockpiled somewhere, nobody's contingency plans would go awry by being short the gear they might request.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Plenty of weapons? Sure. Plenty of MAGIC weapons? There's no evidence for that.</p><p></p><p>Dwarves live a long time. But not all dwarves are smiths. And not all Dwarven smiths are master smiths- even among themselves, there will be differing levels of competence. The ones capable of forging magic weapons might be rare indeed.</p><p></p><p>And how long does it take to forge a magical item in Middle Earth anyway? AFAIK, JRRT never says.</p><p></p><p>Hell- the process of creating magic weapons may be so long and involved that only the master craftsmen of the Dwarves and Elves live long enough to complete even a few.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 7696858, member: 19675"] Because it is a fantasy novel? That is nonsense. You might as well assert that Middle Earth steel is like one of our marshmallows and their fire would not burn us because real world information we have on metal and fire has little bearing on how it works there. No. All fiction has its basis in reality and branches out from there. How much so depends on the unreality of the fiction in question. The less familiar the basic rules of the fiction's setting, the less accessible it will be. But JRRT's world works much as ours does- steel is hard; fire is hot. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm asserting that there is no evidence in the novels that weapons of [B]that[/B] power approach anything like the ubiquity you're claiming. In fact, the very rarity of such weapons even within the Company of the Ring would argue [I]against[/I] there being anything approaching a large number of such weapons in the world. Given the dire situation and the stature of the individuals in it, the Company would have probably had their pick of gear available. They'd be the denizens of Middle Earth most likely to be kitted out like a D&D party. Not just as a matter of pride for those behind them, but also to ensure the mission's success. If there really were huge numbers of magical weapons stockpiled somewhere, nobody's contingency plans would go awry by being short the gear they might request. Plenty of weapons? Sure. Plenty of MAGIC weapons? There's no evidence for that. Dwarves live a long time. But not all dwarves are smiths. And not all Dwarven smiths are master smiths- even among themselves, there will be differing levels of competence. The ones capable of forging magic weapons might be rare indeed. And how long does it take to forge a magical item in Middle Earth anyway? AFAIK, JRRT never says. Hell- the process of creating magic weapons may be so long and involved that only the master craftsmen of the Dwarves and Elves live long enough to complete even a few. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Was Gandalf Just A 5th Level Magic User?
Top