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<blockquote data-quote="TheLoneRanger1979" data-source="post: 7696923" data-attributes="member: 6804148"><p>And yet:</p><p>"Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world. Thus they brought word to him of well nigh all that passed in Arda; yet some things were hidden even from the eyes of Manwe and the servants of Manwe, for where Melkor sat in his dark thought impenetrable shadows lay." And it was Manwe who sent the eagles to Middle Earth to watch over the Noldor. I am not saying this actually means these are the same eagles, but the fact that the greatest of them were sentient and could actually speak, may imply some of them were those servants of Manwe in corporeal form. And who knows, maybe as Melian and Thongol had a daughter, so did Thorondor and some of his kin had children with the more "biological" eagles of Middle Earth, and thus the race of the great Eagles was given birth. Ulmo also had servants that took shapes of streams or rivers, sometimes storms. Not all were house less spirits. And then we have the Ents..... this is how they were created:</p><p>"When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared"</p><p>Again we have spirits inhabiting the shapes of the trees, to act as their guardians. Maybe never directly stated, but i think it is strongly implied that many of the "magical" creatures were in fact spirits of some sort, either bound to or having been given a physical shape.</p><p></p><p>EDIT:</p><p>I should have read the last 2 pages before answering, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?11368-Khisanth-the-Ancient" target="_blank"><strong>Khisanth the Ancient</strong></a> beat me to it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Precisely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheLoneRanger1979, post: 7696923, member: 6804148"] And yet: "Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world. Thus they brought word to him of well nigh all that passed in Arda; yet some things were hidden even from the eyes of Manwe and the servants of Manwe, for where Melkor sat in his dark thought impenetrable shadows lay." And it was Manwe who sent the eagles to Middle Earth to watch over the Noldor. I am not saying this actually means these are the same eagles, but the fact that the greatest of them were sentient and could actually speak, may imply some of them were those servants of Manwe in corporeal form. And who knows, maybe as Melian and Thongol had a daughter, so did Thorondor and some of his kin had children with the more "biological" eagles of Middle Earth, and thus the race of the great Eagles was given birth. Ulmo also had servants that took shapes of streams or rivers, sometimes storms. Not all were house less spirits. And then we have the Ents..... this is how they were created: "When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared" Again we have spirits inhabiting the shapes of the trees, to act as their guardians. Maybe never directly stated, but i think it is strongly implied that many of the "magical" creatures were in fact spirits of some sort, either bound to or having been given a physical shape. EDIT: I should have read the last 2 pages before answering, [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?11368-Khisanth-the-Ancient"][B]Khisanth the Ancient[/B][/URL] beat me to it :D Precisely. [/QUOTE]
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