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<blockquote data-quote="Khisanth the Ancient" data-source="post: 7696990" data-attributes="member: 11368"><p>I think this is pretty certain - Tolkien wrote about LOTR <em>not</em> being an allegory of WWII and that if it were, it would have been decided by the Free Peoples using the Ring against Sauron, etc.</p><p></p><p>--</p><p></p><p>But I don't think that necessarily argues against the use of "magic" items (in the sense of the Elvish items) by the Fellowship. Galadriel makes it quite clear that the Elvish "magic" is something so utterly different from "the deceits of the Enemy" that it baffles her that humans/hobbits use the same words for both. </p><p></p><p>Elvish magic is tied to art and craftsmanship while Sauron's is tied to domination and compulsion. The Istari have 'magical' or angelic powers by nature, but are forbidden to use them to compel others or in direct conflict with Sauron - Saruman breaks this rule and falls.</p><p></p><p>It would clearly be wrong and ultimately self-defeating to use the One Ring against Sauron or build Orc armies like Saruman tried, but the Elves using their specially-crafted weapons etc. doesn't seem problematic.</p><p></p><p>--</p><p></p><p>I also don't really see any lack of 'magical' items on the Fellowship's part. </p><p></p><p>Gandalf has Narya, the Ring of Fire, and Glamdring (and his staff may also be magical). Aragorn has Anduril once it's reforged. The four hobbits have the barrow-blades, and Frodo gets Sting, another powerful First Age Elvish blade. </p><p></p><p>They're also given lembas, Elvish cloaks, and Elvish ropes at Lothlorien, which have 'special' properties even if not flashy.</p><p></p><p>Gimli's axe and Legolas's bow don't have names or any observed special properties, but they are presumably Dwarvish and Elvish craft respectively, so who knows...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khisanth the Ancient, post: 7696990, member: 11368"] I think this is pretty certain - Tolkien wrote about LOTR [I]not[/I] being an allegory of WWII and that if it were, it would have been decided by the Free Peoples using the Ring against Sauron, etc. -- But I don't think that necessarily argues against the use of "magic" items (in the sense of the Elvish items) by the Fellowship. Galadriel makes it quite clear that the Elvish "magic" is something so utterly different from "the deceits of the Enemy" that it baffles her that humans/hobbits use the same words for both. Elvish magic is tied to art and craftsmanship while Sauron's is tied to domination and compulsion. The Istari have 'magical' or angelic powers by nature, but are forbidden to use them to compel others or in direct conflict with Sauron - Saruman breaks this rule and falls. It would clearly be wrong and ultimately self-defeating to use the One Ring against Sauron or build Orc armies like Saruman tried, but the Elves using their specially-crafted weapons etc. doesn't seem problematic. -- I also don't really see any lack of 'magical' items on the Fellowship's part. Gandalf has Narya, the Ring of Fire, and Glamdring (and his staff may also be magical). Aragorn has Anduril once it's reforged. The four hobbits have the barrow-blades, and Frodo gets Sting, another powerful First Age Elvish blade. They're also given lembas, Elvish cloaks, and Elvish ropes at Lothlorien, which have 'special' properties even if not flashy. Gimli's axe and Legolas's bow don't have names or any observed special properties, but they are presumably Dwarvish and Elvish craft respectively, so who knows... [/QUOTE]
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