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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7696992" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>Since it doesn't say one way or the other, we are left to look at the books. Sauron, Olorin, Galadriel, and so on all lived together in Valinor. The spent ages living together. Sauron rebelled against Valinor with Morgoth and fought against the elves for thousands of years and against Valinor when it came for Morgoth. They knew the sorts of creatures Sauron had access to.</p><p></p><p>Is it more likely that they know what Sauron has and can do, or more likely they don't? You're assuming one way and we're assuming the other, but it's far more likely that we are correct.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Suddenly? There is no suddenly? He has many hours to bring the storm up while the eagles fly towards him in full view.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>He's a smart cookie. When eagles and the ring start flying for several hours towards Mount Doom, he's going to figure it out and have plenty of time to defend the place. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If by brilliant you mean die in a flash of fire and lightning, you are correct!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And because the eagles would automatically fail. Also, because the Eagles are servants of Manwe and the Valar refused to go against Sauron directly or allow any of their servants but the Istari aid Middle Earth. The excludes the eagles from even attempting the failure that would be their aid.</p><p></p><p></p><p>A ranger of the north is very sneaky, as is a wizard maia. Boromir was undoubtedly taught the ability to sneak in his training. 4 hobbits are very sneaky. An elf is very sneaky. The only one who really would have difficulty is Gimli. And it was said that it was a fool's hope. The odds were long, but they were better than flying directly into Sauron's grasp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7696992, member: 23751"] Since it doesn't say one way or the other, we are left to look at the books. Sauron, Olorin, Galadriel, and so on all lived together in Valinor. The spent ages living together. Sauron rebelled against Valinor with Morgoth and fought against the elves for thousands of years and against Valinor when it came for Morgoth. They knew the sorts of creatures Sauron had access to. Is it more likely that they know what Sauron has and can do, or more likely they don't? You're assuming one way and we're assuming the other, but it's far more likely that we are correct. Suddenly? There is no suddenly? He has many hours to bring the storm up while the eagles fly towards him in full view. He's a smart cookie. When eagles and the ring start flying for several hours towards Mount Doom, he's going to figure it out and have plenty of time to defend the place. If by brilliant you mean die in a flash of fire and lightning, you are correct! And because the eagles would automatically fail. Also, because the Eagles are servants of Manwe and the Valar refused to go against Sauron directly or allow any of their servants but the Istari aid Middle Earth. The excludes the eagles from even attempting the failure that would be their aid. A ranger of the north is very sneaky, as is a wizard maia. Boromir was undoubtedly taught the ability to sneak in his training. 4 hobbits are very sneaky. An elf is very sneaky. The only one who really would have difficulty is Gimli. And it was said that it was a fool's hope. The odds were long, but they were better than flying directly into Sauron's grasp. [/QUOTE]
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